Debates between Lord Forsyth of Drumlean and Lord James of Blackheath during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Fri 6th Sep 2019
European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill
Lords Chamber

Committee: 1st sitting (Hansard): House of Lords

European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill

Debate between Lord Forsyth of Drumlean and Lord James of Blackheath
Committee: 1st sitting (Hansard): House of Lords
Friday 6th September 2019

(4 years, 9 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord James of Blackheath Portrait Lord James of Blackheath
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I thank the noble Lord. I tabled my amendment because, in everything that has been said so learnedly on this matter, nobody has covered the subject of sovereignty, which is really at the core of the original intention to take back control. Therefore, I am concerned that the public might be asked to give an opinion on this—

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean Portrait Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)
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We had a very long period of what some people have called filibustering. It resulted in a deal between the Front Benches in which the Opposition Leader gave an undertaking not to use the guillotine or this procedure again. We respected that. We agreed that the Bill would be given safe passage with speed through the House. Does my noble friend not think that it might be more sensible to withdraw his amendment and allow us to proceed with what both sides of the House have agreed to do?

Lord James of Blackheath Portrait Lord James of Blackheath
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I entirely recognise that fact. My concern, which I am sure the noble Lord will share, is for the understanding of the British public when they have to accept whatever is the final decision. I do not believe they have enough knowledge of the reality of what stands behind the agreements between which they have to choose. That is why I worded the amendment as I did, as the only way to bring this into the discussion today. I thank noble Lords for their comments. I will beg leave to withdraw my amendment but at the same time I make an urgent plea to all who are concerned about this to get the public better informed. They are not well informed.