Draft Conversion Practices Bill

Lord Isaac Excerpts

Wednesday 1st July 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Collins of Highbury (Lab)]

I thank the right reverend Prelate. The important thing here is that the consultations have been going on for some time, as have the debates on this legislation, as the noble Lord, Lord Hayward, pointed out. However, we remain committed to that level of consultation. The Government have no intention of interfering with people’s right to religious belief and expression. We are not seeking to prevent people living a life that aligns with their religious or cultural values. This is not about telling people that they cannot hold certain views. We are targeting clear instances of abuse here, and we are very clear about sending a message that LGBT+ people deserve to be safe from harm.

An offence occurs only if someone seeks to change a person’s identity through abusive conversion practices that result in harm. A religious leader teaching their faith’s views on LGBT+ matters should not be affected by this draft Bill. The principle that the right reverend Prelate raises with regard to counselling and advice is covered by what I said about parental responsibility and medical advice. These things are absolutely covered in the Bill, but we will address these questions in the pre-legislative scrutiny.

[Lord Isaac (Lab)]

My Lords, I start by congratulating my noble friend on his appointment as the UK Special Envoy for LGBT+ Rights. It is significant that we need this role to address some of the real lack of progress that we see around the world. I also thank my noble friend and the Minister for Equalities for their important work in bringing forward this Bill. Having grown up gay in the 1980s, I know what it is like to be a young person growing up in a society where people say that you are not normal, and there is no sense of belonging by you and by your family. I am glad that that is no longer the case for very many people but, sadly, that is not universally the case. I know people who are constantly put under pressure to change their identity, not necessarily by their family but by external third parties. As a lawyer, I think that the draft legislation does plug gaps in the criminal law, so my question is: does my noble friend agree that passing this legislation after examining it in the pre-legislative scrutiny phase will help him in his role as the special envoy but also help us regain our place as a leader in LGBT rights across the world?

[Lord Collins of Highbury (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend for emphasising that point, because I think it is really important. I also thank him for his congratulations on my appointment as Special Envoy for LGBT+ Rights. That is an additional task I am extremely willing to take on, because in the current global climate, it is important that we can set out how we and our values in this country are so important—how we have taken the lead and that lead has shown other countries how to behave. We are absolutely clear on that. I do not think we should underestimate the importance of that because, in my recent travels, I attended the conference of the Organization of American States, where I met 200 civil society activists from across Latin America, central America and South America who were talking to me about the sorts of pressures that they were under as LGBT people. It is unbelievable the pressure that they are under, but they were determined to highlight how progress can be made. Progress can be made by seeing the example that this country sets, and we should not underestimate that.