Debates between Peter Grant and Lucy Frazer during the 2015-2017 Parliament

Fri 2nd Dec 2016

Benefit Claimants Sanctions (Required Assessment) Bill

Debate between Peter Grant and Lucy Frazer
Lucy Frazer Portrait Lucy Frazer
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I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but the Government have accepted a significant number of the Oakley review’s recommendations. Of course we need guidance, but there is already some guidance from the DWP. The guidance lists a number of examples, including:

“The claimant provides a statement that he could not attend the jobcentre because he had to attend a job interview thirty miles…from his home. The DM writes to the claimant asking for details of the interview time... The claimant provides details which clearly show that he could not have attended the jobcentre at the time and day specified in the written notice. The details are provided after the five days, but they merely verify the claimant’s original statement. The claimant has shown good reason within the five days.”

Peter Grant Portrait Peter Grant
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Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?

Lucy Frazer Portrait Lucy Frazer
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May I finish the point? Guidance is already set out in the DWP documentation. Obviously not every scenario is set out, but it is the job of those working at jobcentres to help those who come before them.

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Lucy Frazer Portrait Lucy Frazer
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All the evidence suggests that over 90% of people do not go through the sanctions system at all, so the system works for a large number of people.

Peter Grant Portrait Peter Grant
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Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?

Lucy Frazer Portrait Lucy Frazer
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I will make a little progress.

I want to comment on three points that were made by the hon. Member for Paisley and Renfrewshire South in her speech. First, she identified that she was concerned about the facelessness of the decision maker, but there are many systems in other areas in which the decision maker does not know the individual. Many immigration decisions are made by someone who does not know the individual. Our judicial system rests on the basis that the judge is not familiar with the individual case and assesses those cases on the evidence.