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The Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (Dan Tomlinson)
I am glad to be serving under your chairmanship, Mr Turner. I am grateful to the hon. Member for Farnham and Bordon (Gregory Stafford) for securing this important debate, and for speaking so eloquently in support of the UK wine sector. It is fantastic to hear him speak about the sector’s growth, as well as its continuing progress on exports, which is a really good thing. The irony is not lost on me, though, that he said that Treasury Wine Estates has some reservations about the Treasury’s tax policy—I will look into that.
I heartily echo the hon. Gentleman’s praise for the UK wine industry’s significant contribution to our economy, culture and tourism. As he mentioned, the statistics speak for themselves: we are the world’s second largest wine importer, bringing in 1.7 billion bottles in 2024. Sales of both imported and home-grown wine support hundreds of thousands of jobs, particularly in hospitality and retail. In recent years, as many Members have mentioned, more and more people have taken up work in the UK’s domestic wine sector, which is much like a dessert wine—small, but strong.
Industry figures suggest that more than 1,000 vineyards and 200 wineries contribute to our rural economy, with land under vine growing fivefold since 2005. The hon. Member for Weald of Kent (Katie Lam) listed many of the wineries in her patch; one of the challenges of being a Parliamentary Private Secretary, like my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings and Rye (Helena Dollimore), is that they do not always get to speak in these debates. However, I have been reliably informed by note that the two Members have the same number of vineyards in their constituencies—there may have to be a little Kent-based competition.
It is great to see that the number of home-grown products is increasing, with production exceeding 10 million bottles last year, and with sales rising too. This Government are committed to fostering an environment in which the wine industry, like its vines, can thrive and grow.
The hon. Member for Farnham and Bordon, as well as other Opposition Members, made important points about the UK’s alcohol duty system. Before I turn to those points, I will first acknowledge the Government’s wider work to support the wine industry through agricultural grants and export promotion. The Government have committed at least £200 million to the farming innovation programme through to 2030, and we champion domestically produced wines on the international stage. For example, we showcased English sparkling wine at the Osaka expo earlier this year.
As I have mentioned English sparkling wine, it is important that I also mention the contribution of my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh South West (Dr Arthur), who talked about Scotland’s growing wine industry and the impact it is having on high streets. He also said that, in designing a sensible tax system, it is important that it takes account of the impact on the health of the population, which I think is reflected in the current system.
Members have spoken about the previous Government’s reform of the alcohol duty system. I am a Labour MP, so it is not lost on me that I am defending an alcohol duty system implemented by Conservative MPs, and that Conservative MPs are opposed to a system implemented by their own Government. We learned in opposition that it is not always wise to oppose the decisions made by our party when it was previously in government. Indeed, I think that one of the reasons we won the last election is because we were able to talk proudly and confidently of the achievements of previous Labour Governments. Anyway, it is up to Opposition Members to choose which aspects of previous Government policy they wish to support, or not.
As others have mentioned, the alcohol duty system is now based on the principle of taxing alcohol by strength, which means that alcohol duty increases with a product’s ABV. Although it is true that some higher-strength wines have faced increases in duty, that has been balanced by reductions in duty for lower-ABV wines, including some British wines. Prior to the reforms, wines with 11% ABV and wines with 14% ABV both paid the same duty per bottle. Now, there is a difference: wines with 11% ABV pay £2.43 in duty and wines with 14% ABV pay £3.10.
I am interested in the point made by the hon. Member for Weald of Kent about the extent to which British wine companies are producing wine with an ABV below 8.5%. I will consider that point. Indeed, I was thinking the same thing when I was reading up on this topic earlier today. However, I know the changes were introduced alongside conversations with industry representatives, and those conversations will continue as the changes bed in.
In recognition of the big changes that were implemented, it is right to assess their impacts after they have had time to take effect. We have said that will take place at least three years after their introduction in 2023. I will take that work forward next year with officials from HMRC, and I would welcome evidence from Members in this Chamber, including representations from the businesses and communities they represent, and of course I will engage with the wine industry.
The hon. Member for Farnham and Bordon said he had three points, but I think he had four in the end, including on the cumulative impact—I will try to address all four. On his third point, yes, we will consider in the round all aspects of the system’s current design. I do not want this review to be one that does not properly interrogate the design of the system, and I also do not want to pre-empt where it will get to, but in my role overseeing that review, I want us to look carefully at the design of the system as a whole. I think the system is sensible and fair, but I also know there are challenges that have been raised by Members today.
On the hon. Member’s big point about cuts or freezes to alcohol duty, it is worth realising that any such cuts or freezes would come at a cost to the Exchequer. The Office for Budget Responsibility produces the costings for any changes to taxation policy.
Dan Tomlinson
The hon. Gentleman might think that some of the OBR’s assumptions are wrong. I encourage Members, if they have evidence, facts or figures that they want to put to the OBR on the elasticities—as I believe it is called when a tax rate is changed and has an impact on consumption—to send them in. The Government are confident in the OBR’s independence, but I will always want to ensure that we are putting forward accurate costings. In this instance, I believe that the OBR is in the right place when it comes to the elasticities, but Members should feel free to send in their own representations.
It is worth noting that freezing alcohol duty this year, if inflation was around 4%, would be equivalent to a 3.85% duty cut. Using HMRC’s published ready reckoner, this would cost the Exchequer roughly £440 million a year. It is right, therefore, that any decision on alcohol duty weighs the impact on overall revenues carefully. That is what I am confident that the Chancellor will do when she makes a decision in the Budget in just a few weeks.
I will try to run through some of the points made by Members in this debate. The hon. Members for Bridgwater, for Weald of Kent and for Farnham and Bordon, and the Opposition spokesperson, the hon. Member for North West Norfolk (James Wild), raised the issue of small producer relief for wine. That question was considered in detail as part of the previous Government’s review into alcohol duty, and as I have said, we will look to review it three years after the implementation that took place on 1 August 2023. We want to gather data and really look at the impact of the reforms. If Members want to come forward with proposals for change, then they should do so.
Dan Tomlinson
Of course. I was looking forward to my first intervention, and will happily give way.
Charlie Maynard
I am just going to make a plea. HMRC is losing nearly £1 billion a year, which is incredibly bad news, and there are massive frictions and admin costs on business. Why would we not just go back to the easement? We can stand looking at this massive problem, or we can face facts and deal with it—and actually get money for the Exchequer.
Dan Tomlinson
We will look in the round at the changes that were implemented in 2023. I do not want to rush to implement something that does not work for the alcohol industry as a whole and is not fair or proportionate. But I understand the points that have been raised—they are well made and I have been listening.
The hon. Member for Farnham and Bordon also raised the cumulative impact on the wine industry of various changes that have been made by previous Governments, and the current Government, including around packaging. That does go to a big-picture point that is contested in this place about the tax rises implemented in the Budget last year. It is my view, and the view of the Chancellor and the Government, that in the round we had to make those decisions to raise revenue. I understand that it led to additional taxation on businesses, but that was on the largest businesses—around half of businesses, those with the fewest employees, are not paying any additional national insurance as a result of the changes last year. But I understand that there was an impact on those firms that had to absorb those additional taxation levels.
The Government think that it was the right decision in order to raise revenue to fund our public services and ensure that borrowing was not increased more than is sustainable. It is right that the Government ensure that we borrow to invest in the future of this country, something I wish the previous Government had done when interest rates were down at 0.5%. On a serious point, as the Minister with responsibility for taxation policy and the Treasury, I am looking closely at the impact of all the changes that have been introduced in previous years that require compliance and burden for business. We have to look carefully at them, because we want to see businesses growing, thriving and being able to hire more people and expand.
On business rates specifically, the Chancellor will come forward at the Budget with the permanently lower multipliers for retail, hospitality and leisure. That policy was set out in our manifesto and we will announce the detail at the Budget.
Let me turn to the Liberal Democrat spokesperson, the hon. Member for Witney (Charlie Maynard). I was glad to hear a shout-out for my hometown of Witney—I went to Wood Green school in his constituency; it is a wonderful part of the world. He, too, raised the point that one of the challenges with the move to the new system is the additional bands. If we look at it on a chart, the line is flat because the rate is the same, but of course I am aware that, depending on the ABV, producers are at different points on that line. That is something they have to deal with, and he is right that it is maybe more of a challenge for those who are producing wine and growing products. I do understand that; the point was well made, and there will be a review of the tax three years after implementation.
The hon. Member for Aberdeenshire North and Moray East (Seamus Logan) mentioned Scotch whisky and was interested to hear from me about the support that the Government are providing to the industry. I would say that the industry is set to be one of the biggest beneficiaries from the trade deal with India, which is set to reduce tariffs from 150% to 75% initially and then to 40% over time.
I do not think I have reached every single question that Members raised, but I hope they feel that I have covered the points that were made. To conclude, our Government are dedicated to supporting the UK wine industry through a range of measures, including ensuring an alcohol duty system that is fair and proportionate. I thank the hon. Member for Farnham and Bordon for securing the debate. I share his pride in this growing British success story and look forward to further discussions, including with WineGB and the Wine and Spirit Trade Association—tomorrow, in fact—about how we can build a prosperous and sustainable future for UK wine.