Planning and Infrastructure Bill Debate
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Lords Chamber
Baroness Willis of Summertown (CB)
My Lords, Motion K1 is in my name. I have a whole speech written but I am not going to give it because I greatly appreciate the words that came from the Minister.
The concerns around the EDPs are critical. Even this morning I had many emails in my inbox from all walks of life—from builders, nature conservation people and even other Peers—saying, “Please push on this one”. These EDPs are a very ambitious, bold new framework and we simply do not know how successful they will be. Therefore, this amendment is to say, please can we try it on the thing that is the biggest blockage first, then sequentially work on it once we have the evidence base? The Minister, other Peers and I had a very constructive meeting and an exchange of letters. The Government have listened in this case. We will start with nutrients and build from that, but we will learn on the way with the evidence. It is very important that this evidence comes back to this House and that an independent body looks at that evidence base, so that Natural England is not marking its own homework. That has always been a concern for many.
I thank the Minister for such helpful discussions. I believe that we will end up understanding how EDPs will work to effect for the biggest blockers, but for nature as well.
Baroness Freeman of Steventon (CB)
I want to speak briefly to Motion K1. I too will not be giving the speech that I prepared, in the light of the assurances from the Minister, for which I am very grateful as this is a very important area. However, I hope that she can give a couple of clarifications.
First, the Minister mentioned public consultation on EDPs. How will that work? This independent evaluation of the evidence is so important, so it would be good to hear exactly how that public consultation will be done. It is fantastic that, as my noble friend Lady Willis just mentioned, the evidence is being assessed by an independent body, but who exactly is doing the monitoring and gathering the evidence? Is it Natural England, or are independent bodies doing it? Who is then assessing the evidence? Is that independently done?
Secondly, over what period is the monitoring of these first EDPs to be done before the report comes back to the House? It is important that we get the longer-term evidence before we commit to any more. The example of great crested newts has been given multiple times. It is a great species for doing district-wide licensing, but it has specific characteristics which means it is good for that, and we have a lot of knowledge and good data. The ponds for them are dug before destruction of their existing habitat, and there is a minimum 25-year commitment to those ponds. It is not clear that this will be the case for the new EDPs. It would be great to hear about the evidence-gathering periods and what period is anticipated for the commitments.