Debates between Baroness Hayman and Lord Moore of Etchingham during the 2024 Parliament

Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Debate between Baroness Hayman and Lord Moore of Etchingham
Lord Moore of Etchingham Portrait Lord Moore of Etchingham (Non-Afl)
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My Lords, I of course agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Gerada, that there are many different motives for killing yourself, but we are talking about making a law here. It is very important that the natural and ordinary meaning of words is established and preserved. Suicide means killing yourself, and what is proposed in the Bill is killing yourself with assistance. It is very important to keep explaining that to people, because otherwise they will be permanently misled about what is actually happening.

Baroness Hayman Portrait Baroness Hayman (CB)
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My Lords, the noble Lord says that we should understand the ordinary meaning of words, and I agree with him. I must say to him, however, that my own mother—who turned her face to the door and stopped eating and drinking—did not commit suicide. We did not feel that. She was at the end of her life, she was terminally ill and she decided that she had had enough. She did not want the next blood transfusion, and she did not want any more time. I find it really offensive to be told that she committed suicide.

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Lord Moore of Etchingham Portrait Lord Moore of Etchingham (Non-Afl)
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Perhaps I may follow up on the very sad story from the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, of her mother and how she died. This would not be considered to be suicide under the law, as I understand it. As has been discussed quite a lot during this Bill, refusing treatment is not suicide.

Baroness Hayman Portrait Baroness Hayman (CB)
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I understand that, and I understand that my mother would not have been considered to have committed suicide. What I am trying to say is that her desire for her life to end, and the method that she took to do that, was not assisted dying. That was not available to her and it did not come into the equation. On the categorisation of that as suicide, and this Bill is being called “assisted suicide”, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, that we have to be clear. It is not that I am taking offence; I think that it is wrong to categorise people who wish their life to come to an end—and who therefore refuse treatment and food, or who choose assisted dying under the provisions of this Bill—as in some way committing suicide.