Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill Debate
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Lords ChamberI add my congratulations to the noble Lord, Lord Roe, on an excellent maiden speech.
I welcome the Minister’s explanation of the Bill’s priorities, which I broadly support, but I have some concerns about the possible unintended impact on the UK’s medical training reputation, especially given recent investments in international recruitment. While some predict that artificial intelligence may reduce demand for doctors, I believe that medicine remains fundamentally human, and current shortages make such predictions rather unconvincing. The NHS continues to face consultant-level vacancies and low morale among doctors. I agree with the noble Earl, Lord Howe, about the need for a significant increase in training placements.
Competition for medical jobs is long-standing. Certainly when I qualified—a long time ago now—there was no guarantee of specialty training at all. There was an assumption that the majority of graduates would proceed into general practice. But a shortage of specialty training placements now prevents both domestic and international graduates from progressing. This situation is made worse by poor workforce planning over many years, despite well-forecast numbers of medical students. It is this systemic issue that needs urgent attention. There are some key questions, such as whether this Bill is the best solution, whose investment in training is at risk, and how affected students and doctors will be notified and understand the impact for themselves. Many correspondents have shared their anxiety about the Bill’s career impact for them.
I will not repeat the arguments made by the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, regarding the Queen Mary’s students in Malta. Similar arguments apply to students at City St George’s Cyprus campus, who follow the UK curriculum, meet GMC standards and are awarded UK-recognised qualifications yet will be deprioritised simply for studying overseas. They have taken identical exams and have committed significant time and money based on assurances that they could compete for UK foundation programme posts. Changing eligibility rules just as they graduate is unfair; it undermines confidence in our system and risks leaving qualified graduates without posts, damaging both the NHS and, of course, the reputation of City St George’s.
As an emeritus professor at City St George’s, University of London, I asked the dean for more information about the contracts that City St George’s has with students in Cyprus. Paragraph 3.4 of its contract says:
“On successful completion of the Programme, SGUL shall grant to the Student an award certificate to which he or she is entitled under the provisions of SGUL Policies and Regulations and will provide the Student’s name to the GMC in accordance with GMC requirements to enable students to be registered with the GMC as having a Primary Medical Qualification”.
This means that graduates were able to apply for the foundation programme and be considered equally alongside students who had studied in the UK. The issue of any visas required by graduates, of course, is outside the contract, as work permits for the UK sit under UK Immigration Rules. The question is whether there will be any legal risks. If a legal challenge was successful, presumably it would be financial, and presumably it would be the Government who would be accountable. I am not sure that the university could be held accountable for a breach of contract if the breach is the result of a change in law.
I also urge that consideration be given to whether those studying in overseas campuses might be included in the priority group, or at least to phasing in the changes prospectively for the sake of those already in training. Excluding such students devalues these important collaborations. I would be interested in the Minister’s response on whether there could be some valid legal challenges.
Fair workforce planning seems to be essential. Without adjustments, the Bill threatens morale and may drive talented doctors away. I have been thinking about proposing an amendment to ensure that graduates with UK medical degrees are prioritised for foundation programme entry, regardless of study location, which would seem to be fairer. One final point is that, for these overseas campuses, the numbers are actually quite small.
I am coming on to this, but the agreement in respect of Malta that I would refer to is a reciprocal health agreement. It does not apply in this area. It is about the reciprocal provision of healthcare. I will turn to Malta, however, after saying a brief word about overseas campuses generally.
Just to re-emphasise, overseas campus students are not part of the numbers that the Government are setting. We do not have that control. If we prioritised those graduates as well, that would eat away at the very core of the Bill and the things people actually want us to do.
The noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, and the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, wanted an indication of how this would all align with the international education strategy. The Bill does not conflict with this, because the international education strategy supports universities expanding internationally. It does not prevent UK universities delivering medical degrees overseas. That strategy stays in place.
I turn to Malta for the noble Baroness, Lady Gerada—
Can I just a question? The Minister has suggested that these students could come and work in non-training posts. But the problem, as I understand it—do correct me if I am wrong—is that, for example, St George’s students must complete their foundation year in the UK to be eligible to apply for full registration. Therefore, it means that they cannot complete their medical education without being eligible to apply for the foundation training. While a different contract could potentially be negotiated for future students at an overseas campus, the current students who have this contract and expectation in place need to have that honoured. I do not feel that the Minister has responded to the concerns that have been raised eloquently around the House.
As I said at the outset, I will endeavour to answer all questions, but where I do not have an answer, particularly where I want to look at them in closer detail, I will be very pleased to write, of course, as always.
Still turning to Malta—which is a pleasure—let me say straight away that we do have a long-standing partnership with Malta on healthcare. It is valued and it will continue. Doctors who are training in Malta will still come to the UK, as they do now, to gain NHS experience to support their training, for example through fellowship schemes. This is not affected by the Bill.
As I discussed with the noble Baroness just yesterday, senior officials in my department have met with the High Commissioner of Malta to the United Kingdom in order to assure him of this. But it is important to prioritise in order to ensure a sustainable workforce that meets its health needs. Again, that is at the core of the Bill. Malta has its own foundation school. This is not part of the UK foundation programme: it is affiliated with the UK foundation programme office which administers the UK programme. That means—this point has been made to me—the Malta Foundation School delivers the same curriculum and offers the same education and training as the UK foundation programme. The Bill will not impact this affiliation or the other ways in which work carries on closely with the Government of Malta when it comes to health.
The noble Earl, Lord Howe, also made the point that he believed small numbers of students were impacted. I have referred to the 300 applicants from overseas campuses. I hope it is understood that that is why there is a significance there.
If there are other matters that I have not addressed to the satisfaction of the noble Baroness, Lady Gerada, I will be very pleased to review this, because I suspect there were some more points to address. I will be very pleased to write to her to give her comfort in this regard.
I move on now to the impact on doctors who were part way through the application process—a point spoken to by noble Lords, Lord Patel, Lord Mohammed, Lord Clement-Jones, and other noble Lords. As I stated earlier, delaying implementation of the Bill until next year, which would be required if we were to respond as requested, would mean another full year where we are not tackling the issue of bottlenecks in medical training. It seemed to me that the feeling in the House was that we did need to do that.
I understand the discomfort of noble Lords around this. It is important that I recognise that, but it is also important to recognise when introducing legislation that sometimes it will not work perfectly for everybody. This is about prioritisation, not about exclusion.
Following that point, the noble Lord, Lord Stevens, the noble Baroness, Lady Coffey, and the noble Earl, Lord Effingham, asked about emergency legislation. They asked: why now? As the Health Secretary set out in the other place, he has listened to resident doctors and their concerns about a system that does not work for them. He agreed to bring forward that emergency legislation as quickly as possible, rather than wait—this is key for a number of the points raised—another year to do so.
The noble Earl, Lord Howe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Coffey, asked about the Bill’s commencement and why it will not commence at Royal Assent—that is a very fair question. We are introducing reforms for a large-scale recruitment process. I know that noble Lords will understand what a major undertaking this is. We do not want to create errors or more uncertainty. To make sure that it is effective in commencement, we must have clear processes for delivery across the health system, and I am sure that all noble Lords appreciate that these elements cannot be switched on overnight. As the Secretary of State said in the other place, there is a material consideration about whether it is even possible to proceed if the strikes are ongoing. He is concerned—I share this concern, as I am sure all noble Lords do—about the disruption that strikes cause and the pressure they put on resources, which would make it so much harder operationally to deliver the measures in the Bill.