Armed Forces Bill

Baroness Penn Excerpts

2nd reading
Monday 6th July 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Penn (Con)]

My Lords, it is a real pleasure to follow the right reverend Prelate. This is my first contribution in this House on the matter of defence. The reasons it has come now are twofold.

The first reason is the time we are living through. In my time in government, in the Home Office and No. 10, we dealt with terror attacks, the Novichok poisonings, cyber attacks, and the use of chemical weapons in Syria. But the scale of the threat, and the response we need, are of a different order of magnitude today. As we have heard in the debate, that means a whole-society response. We need to widen the debate that we have in this House and the people who engage in it, not least on the question of funding. Meeting 3% and 3.5% of GDP towards defence will be incredibly challenging, but it is important that we get there. I do not envy the current Government in trying to do it, but it is a long-term task. The trade-offs are real, and we should not pretend that they are not. That means a wider conversation about what we have to sacrifice to meet those funding commitments.

The same is true when we think about the contribution that we want people to make to our defence beyond our Armed Forces. We need to hear more about that national conversation. I encourage the Government—again, it is a difficult conversation to have—to try to be more open in how they tackle and approach this question. It is not something we have done for a very long time, and I do not think we can come up with the answer behind closed doors without an ongoing period of engagement.

The second reason I am speaking now is my participation in the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme, which has given me much greater insight into the people who serve in our Armed Forces—particularly the RAF, the branch through which I am doing the scheme this year. It is clear that we will deliver on our commitments in the SDR and the defence investment programme only if we deliver for and through our people in the military. Therefore, I welcome the measures in the Bill that will improve conditions for people: the measures to strengthen the Armed Forces covenant, to take further action on housing and to strengthen and expand the role of reservists.

Given the premium that the military places on experience, retention—as well as recruitment—will be more important than ever. In that context, I will raise two issues that I think touch the lives of Armed Forces families in particular.

The first is paternity leave for dads in the military. In the UK, we give dads two weeks’ full-paid paternity leave; in Australia, it is eight weeks; in Canada, it is a share of up to 35 weeks; and in the US, that well-known bastion of parental rights and pay, it is 12 weeks at full pay. The US example is pertinent, because this is about a hard-nosed approach to what we need in order to retain the very best people in our services. I have made the case before about changing our statutory provision in the civilian world and how it is good for dads, mums and kids, but all those reasons are magnified in a military setting because of the demand that we place on the people serving in our military and the absences that they often have from their families. That opportunity early in a family’s formation to spend time together, to bond and to establish ongoing relationships is even more important.

It is also worth reflecting on the dynamic for couples who are both in the Armed Forces. At the moment, mums get 26 weeks at full pay under their occupational provision, and dads get two weeks, so think about the effect that that has on the career of both those people as they have each additional child and how the balance of how they approach care is different.

I recognise that members of the Armed Forces are not employees with traditional employment rights in this sense, that the provision for the occupational scheme is different, and that leave needs to be and is subject to operational demands. Nothing that I would propose in changing it would change that fact, but I think we can and should go further.

I would also like to raise a specific case with the Minister of an Army Reserve sergeant who was denied statutory paternity pay after his mobilisation to support Ukraine was treated as a work break from his civilian job. My understanding is that this is not how the current system is meant to work, but this issue affecting a particular member of the reserves has not been resolved and we do not know whether others are also being affected by, perhaps, a misunderstanding of the rules. I hope the Minister can commit to looking further into this and getting it resolved. If we are going to expand the role of reserves in our country, we need to make sure that the move between mobilisation and deployment and civilian life is smooth and works for them.

The second area I would like to raise is that raised by the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of Radley: the fees for indefinite leave to remain for family members of service personnel with service of four years or more. Removing these fees is a Labour manifesto commitment, and it is supported by the Royal British Legion. In the other place, it had a very vocal supporter in my colleague Ben Obese-Jecty, who tabled an amendment to this Bill in the Commons to introduce those changes that are a government manifesto commitment. Sadly, it was voted against in the other place; the Minister responded by saying that work is under way, but no timescale has been given. As the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig, said: it is two years since the election. In that time, the fees for indefinite leave to remain have risen by almost £350. For a family of four to get indefinite leave to remain will cost well over £10,000 and the increase for that family is over £1,000 since 2024.

I recognise that this requires work with the Home Office. Both the Minister and I have worked in the Home Office, and we know that on occasion it can be hard to get things done in that very great department, but two years is long enough. We change our Immigration Rules twice a year. The next changes are due in October, and it would be fantastic to hear from the Minister that the fulfilment of Labour’s manifesto commitment in this area will be contained within those changes.

There is the old saying that you recruit a soldier but retain a family. I hope that, alongside the measures in the Bill, the Minister can signal some progress on both of the issues that I have raised today.