Unemployment: People with Autism

Debate between Baroness Sherlock and Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

Thursday 25th June 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

I must confess to my noble friend that I have not seen it, but I will seek it out. His point is really important. If we can get young autistic people—indeed, any autistic people—into work, I know that many employers will find that there is a huge benefit, not just to the individual but to the organisation. Sometimes, people simply do not know what to do. Line managers are key to this. Earlier this year, for example, my department funded some ACAS-run workshops—masterclasses on neurodiversity—for employers. They were free of charge for employers and aimed particularly at smaller companies to help them understand what it would be like, how to recruit people and how to support them. We know that a lot of employers want to do the right thing, but sometimes just do not know how to do it. Our job is to make that as easy as possible.

[The Lord Speaker (Lord Forsyth of Drumlean)]

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Shinkwin, is taking part remotely. I invite the noble Lord to speak.

[Lord Shinkwin (Con) [V]]

My Lords, I speak as the co-chair of the APPG on disability employment. One initiative that would benefit people with autism and disabled people in general, and which was in both the Labour manifesto and the 2024 King’s Speech, is an equality, ethnicity and disability Bill. Yet the Bill was pulled from the latest King’s Speech at the last minute by No. 10, despite the Bill manager, whom I met, having been appointed. Does the Minister appreciate the huge disappointment that this inexplicable decision has caused, and will she make every effort to ensure that the Government introduce the Bill in this session?

Employment Gap for Blind and Sight-impaired People

Debate between Baroness Sherlock and Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

Wednesday 17th December 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

I am grateful to my noble friend for raising that and for bringing her personal experience to the fore here. My department is responsible for disability in government, and we work very hard to be as accessible as possible. We have significant numbers of staff and colleagues who themselves have a range of disabilities, including sight impairment, and we work constantly to improve what we do and what we offer in that space. On Parliament, I think she makes a good challenge. The fact that Parliament is not subject in the same way as other employers to some of the legislative requirements does not mean that we should not do just as good a job as other people and try to make it better. I am very happy to talk to the House authorities on her behalf about how we continue to make progress in that area.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

My Lords, is the issue here not that the Equality Act applies to the staff in this House but not to the Members? Should that not be sorted so that Members are given the kind of support that we see in other parliaments—such as, dare I say, the European Parliament—where they are given the support to carry out their activities?

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

I have always known the noble Lord as a good European—I am glad to hear him speaking up for the European Parliament today. To be honest, I am not sure we can use that as an excuse. We do not have to be made to do something to do it, and the House should look at it.

Labour Market

Debate between Baroness Sherlock and Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

Monday 8th September 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

The answer to the noble Lord’s question is no. The Government have had to take tough decisions and we knew that they would have some impact. However, all the signs are going in the right direction—there are real signs of progress out there. When it comes to part-time workers, I assure the noble Lord that one of the good things about the way in which the DWP is now organised is that it is tailoring and personalising the employment support it gives people in two ways: first, to get those who are not in jobs into them; and, secondly, to get those in jobs moving on within them, whether that is through more hours, better work or more skills. For example, through our new jobs and careers service, we bring together people who are not on benefits at the moment—perhaps they are working at the margin only for a few hours and do not need to claim—to be part of that. As a country, if we are to have economic growth, we will need a skilled and motivated labour force. I am confident that we are doing that well.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

My Lords, if people are better off not working and being on benefits than they are working at the minimum wage, is the Minister surprised that we have millions of people who should be working and who are not?

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

My Lords, I presume the noble Lord is referring to the stories about universal credit. The structure of universal credit was created by the last Government. It was designed to operate in and out of work. We have become aware that there were some imbalances in the system. As the noble Lord will be aware, the Universal Credit Bill that we put through just before the recess has rebalanced the rates of universal credit by halving the amounts that will be paid in future to those who are out of work on grounds of illness or disability. It will increase the standard allowance to help raise incentives to work. I think most people want to work and have a fulfilling life. Our job is both to put the incentives in the right place and to make sure that the jobs are there and that people are skilled to do them. We are determined to do all this.

Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Sherlock and Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

3rd reading
Friday 21st April 2023 Lords Chamber

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

My Lords, I did not speak at Second Reading, but I declare an interest as president of the Steam Boat Association. In that respect, I intervene briefly to pay tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, for the wonderful work he has done. We have found common cause in trying to maintain coal for our respective interests in steamboats and railways.

This is an important Bill. I do not know what the outcome of it will be, but it is essential that young people should be able to become involved in heritage steam and heritage vehicles of all kinds. It brings discipline and a knowledge of engineering, and it is great fun. One of the best birthday presents I ever got was when I turned 65 and my family arranged for me to drive a steam train. It was fantastic—almost as good as my wedding.

Even if the Bill is not the right way to achieve this purpose, I say to my noble friends on the Front Bench that the purpose is very important. It is absolutely fantastic that the noble Lord does so much work in this field, which is so important to tourism and to our economy.

[Baroness Sherlock (Lab)]

My Lords, I add our thanks to my noble friend Lord Faulkner, who has piloted the Bill. I regret that I could not find a relevant interest to confess at this point, but I commend those who have. I add my hope that Lady Forsyth has a forgiving nature when she comes to read Hansard.

Our heritage railways are a joy and a blessing to the nation, as well as a big contributor to the economy. It would certainly be a shame if children and young people were prevented engaging safely in voluntary activity down to legislation from a time when heritage railways were simply railways. In the earlier stages, the Government seemed confident that there is no legislative barrier. That is not completely accepted around the table, so I hope that the Minister is able to give some reassurance to my noble friend and that discussions are carrying on to make sure that this can happen. I am happy to wait to hear what the Minister has to say.