Scottish Government: Social Security Benefits

Baroness Smith of Llanfaes Excerpts

Wednesday 24th June 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

I did not know the specific example that the noble Lord sets out and I am grateful to him for educating me, as he has done many times in the past. I agree that Scotland, in my view, is better off as part of the union and that independence would be disadvantageous to the people of Scotland and to the Scottish economy. I agree very much with what he says about continuing fiscal responsibility, both in Scotland and in the whole of the UK.

[Baroness Smith of Llanfaes (PC)]

My Lords, unlike Scotland, which has taken on significant social security powers and used them directly to address child poverty in Scotland, Wales has limited control over the welfare system. Does the Minister agree with the principle of Gordon Brown’s report that nothing that is devolved to Scotland could not be devolved to Wales if the Senedd wants it?

[Lord Livermore (Lab)]

I worked for Gordon Brown for quite some years. I did not always agree with him and I am not sure I do on this occasion. The noble Baroness knows that the fiscal framework sets a funding floor to ensure that the Welsh Government receive a fair level of relative funding. A review of the framework is triggered when relative funding falls to 115%. The Government remain committed to working with the Welsh Government to ensure the smooth delivery of their funding settlement, and there are ongoing discussions about funding flexibilities and their fiscal framework as part of this.