International Women’s Day and Protecting the Equality of Women in the UK and Internationally

Debate between Baroness Thornton and Lord Young of Norwood Green
Thursday 17th March 2022

(2 years, 1 month ago)

Grand Committee
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Lord Young of Norwood Green Portrait Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
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I have the unenvious task of being yet one more pale male.

I do not always agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, but I agreed with many things in her contribution. I certainly agree with her that, next year, we should not let us become second-class citizens and have the debate in here again. It should be in the Chamber. The symbolism of it—that this has somehow become a second-class debate, with someone saying, “It’ll do, just put it in the Moses Room”—has rightly been remarked on. He was one of my ancestors was perhaps not the most progressive male on the planet, but he was a man of his time. And I cannot help but say to the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham that the Church fought long and hard to have women bishops. It has to mark its calendar; they should be represented.

I want to return to the last part of the debate. I disagreed with my noble friend Lady Thornton when she endeavoured to say, “Well, this is how it is and we shouldn’t go there”. Well, the noble Lord, Lord Farmer, did go there, as he had absolutely every right to do. He asserted a view that is held by many—perhaps not by my noble friend, but by many—that there is a biological sex of men and women.

Baroness Thornton Portrait Baroness Thornton (Lab)
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Please just stop there.

Lord Young of Norwood Green Portrait Lord Young of Norwood Green (Lab)
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No, I am not going to stop—