All 3 Debates between Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and Lord Swinfen

Thu 23rd Feb 2017
Neighbourhood Planning Bill
Lords Chamber

Report: 1st sitting: House of Lords

Community Football Clubs

Debate between Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and Lord Swinfen
Wednesday 28th March 2018

(6 years, 1 month ago)

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Lord Swinfen Portrait Lord Swinfen (Con)
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My Lords, is it acceptable to develop sites with flat surfaces and playing fields on flat roofs? Will my noble friend look into this?

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth Portrait Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth
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My Lords, I will certainly ensure that that matter is taken to the relevant Minister so that it is looked at.

Neighbourhood Planning Bill

Debate between Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and Lord Swinfen
Lord Swinfen Portrait Lord Swinfen (Con)
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My Lords, I, too, support these amendments. They appear to be drafted in favour of the person who has made the planning application, but let us not forget that council officers also need family holidays, and they may not be there to consider the application and to give it the proper consideration that it requires—or not all of them, or not the relevant individual. So this amendment, although simple, is very sensible.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth Portrait Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth
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My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Gardner of Parkes for tabling these amendments and the noble Lords who participated in the debate: the noble Lords, Lord Beecham and Lord Tope, and my noble friend Lord Swinfen.

In relation to Amendment 9 relating to public holidays, as I indicated in Committee, I have sympathy with it. It seems to be a common-sense provision. I am more concerned about Amendment 10 in relation to August and Christmas. It makes assumptions about holidays which, while often true, may not always be true. There are other holiday periods. So I am more concerned about that, but I am very happy to talk to my noble friend about it.

I will undertake to implement the provision in relation to public holidays by the end of this year. I would like to be able to talk to local authorities about it. With the firm undertaking that we will implement this in relation to public holidays later this year, which we can do by secondary legislation, and my offer to talk to my noble friend about August and Christmas, which I want to have a discussion about because the amendment raises wider issues, I hope that she will withdraw her amendment.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth Portrait Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth
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My Lords, I had not given it much thought; obviously I have quite a lot on between now and Third Reading. On the basis that my noble friend has the undertaking that we will definitely do what she wants us to do in relation to public holidays by the end of the year, the discussion is less urgent because this would not be something that we would do at Third Reading. However, if my noble friend particularly wants to meet before Third Reading—we do not have a date for Third Reading yet, with any certainty—I would be happy to do so.

Lord Swinfen Portrait Lord Swinfen
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Before my noble friend sits down, what is the difficulty? Surely all the planning authority has to do is to stick a red marker on the planning application that says, “One extra day is allowed”. It is a matter of practicality and a bit of common sense.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth Portrait Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth
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The difficulty relates to the other amendment. It is only fair that we inform local authorities and have a discussion with them by the end of the year. I do not think that that is unreasonable. If my noble friend is asking about the other provision, it raises other concerns. The other provision is a common-sense provision, but I would like to make sure, in accordance with my approach, that we have an appropriate dialogue with those who are affected.

Serious Crime Bill [HL]

Debate between Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and Lord Swinfen
Tuesday 8th July 2014

(9 years, 9 months ago)

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Lord Swinfen Portrait Lord Swinfen (Con)
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Before my noble friend answers that question, might I ask whether our gas and oil rigs and our large, hideous windmills that are beyond the 12-mile limit are within our territorial waters? If so, do not our territorial waters in some instances stretch very much further, and have we not claimed areas out into the Atlantic within the continental shelf in order to protect our own oil rights? Is the limit not much greater than 12 miles?

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth Portrait Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth (Con)
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Perhaps I can help on that. The law of the sea gives a territory an exclusive economic zone of 200 miles, which covers such things as mineral rights, wind farms and so on. Territorial waters are quite different: it is where jurisdiction is exercised over people within territorial waters. The limit is still 12 miles. Occasionally, it may be less if it overlaps with another country’s 12 miles, as it would, for example, in the Channel, where a median line is drawn between the United Kingdom and France.