Sheep Carcase (Classification and Price Reporting) (England) Regulations 2025

Lord Deben Excerpts

Monday 7th July 2025 Grand Committee

[Baroness Shephard of Northwold (Con)]

My Lords, I echo my noble friend’s words: this consultation has been going on for a very long time. My noble friend Lord Deben and I absolutely can vouch for these issues being regularly raised but not always sorted in the time between us coming in and out of office. I therefore congratulate the Minister on this achievement.

I want to say one really serious thing about the decreasing number of abattoirs. In Norfolk, we now have one and a half abattoirs, if I can put it that way; I will not elucidate, but that is what we have. It means that if, for example, a farmer is selling to a supermarket—Morrisons, say—the abattoirs will be in Manchester, with the obvious consequences for the travel of cattle. In the recent hot weather, this has been intolerable for live animals. We are at risk with the number of abattoirs. I say to the Minister: this has never been a glamorous cause to pursue, but we are at risk of being accused of endangering the lives of animals.

[Lord Deben (Con)]

My Lords, I remind the Committee of my interests. First, I let land for sheep; as I have an organic farm, we want the sheep to be there so that we have the proper, natural way of producing vegetables and crops of all sorts. Secondly, I am in the hospitality industry, where we seek to provide locally produced food.

I thank the Minister for bringing this hugely important instrument forward. It reminds us that sheepmeat is just as important as beef and pigmeat, although we have not previously treated it in that way. I am also pleased that she made the distinction between the large abattoir and the small one. However, I am very worried about the provision of abattoirs. If you are trying to provide local food in a restaurant or a pub, it is not all that local if it has gone hundreds of miles to be killed then come back again. This is a very serious issue.

I am sure that the Minister will not mind me raising the question of climate change. This hot weather will be regular. It has not come just because there is a Labour Government—I want to ensure that the Minister is not blamed for anything she should not be blamed for. We have to be serious about this: the fact is that we are in really serious trouble in terms of how we handle agriculture in a world that is steadily getting warmer. Although I congratulate the Government on the excellent policies being put forward by Mr Miliband, I still do not believe that we are doing enough across the board and that a great deal more has to be done as far as agriculture is concerned.

I worry about these decisions. First, what happens when a small abattoir becomes a bigger abattoir? In other words, how does the department deal with the fact that, unfortunately, abattoirs have become bigger? When it comes over the level at which it should be reporting, what arrangements are made for that? That seems relatively important to me.

Secondly, now that we are treating the sheepmeat industry properly, is this not the moment for us also to look at the possibility of providing, for example, mobile abattoirs, which will enable sheep to be killed near where they are? I have a long history of trying to distinguish between cruelty to animals and sentimentality about animals. I am deeply opposed to the kind of cruelty that arises if they travel long distances. I have never understood those people who are worried about the export of live animals but do not mind if they go from Suffolk to Manchester—it is a very odd attitude.

[Baroness Shephard of Northwold (Con)]

Or from Norfolk to Manchester.

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[Lord Deben (Con)]

I was talking about Suffolk because that is the better of the two counties, but there we are.

The truth of the matter of simply this. Can we take this opportunity to give some real support for small abattoirs near to where the animals are? This means—in Suffolk and in Norfolk—having accommodation that just does not exist at the moment. I hope that now is the opportunity for the department to take this up.

[The Earl of Effingham (Con)]

My Lords, I start by thanking the Minister for introducing this set of much-needed regulations, which are aimed at bringing the sheep sector in line with the beef and pork industries through the introduction of mandatory carcass classification and price-reporting schemes. These schemes, long established in the aforementioned beef and pork sectors, have provided transparency, accountability and consistency across the market.