House of Lords: Number of Members Debate

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House of Lords: Number of Members

Lord Tyler Excerpts
Wednesday 16th September 2020

(3 years, 8 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord True Portrait Lord True (Con)
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My Lords, every Member of your Lordships’ House has the right to express a personal opinion, and long may we do so. However, it is important, as my noble friend says, that the House reflects on the risk of becoming out of step with public opinion on this great question.

Lord Tyler Portrait Lord Tyler (LD) [V]
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My Lords, does the Minister accept that, following the huge majority for the 2012 House of Lords Reform Bill which Sir George Young, as he then was, secured at Second Reading, this House could by now be well on the way to being a 450-strong senate with a democratic mandate? Further, will he acknowledge that it was only the silly party games played by the then Labour leadership with reactionary Tory Back-Benchers that stopped that Bill in its tracks?

Lord True Portrait Lord True (Con)
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My Lords, I think that the noble Lord has rather upset our colleagues on the Labour Benches. Many histories of that period could be written. The fact is that legislation was presented and, as I said in an earlier answer, it did not find favour at the time.