Defibrillators

Andrew Stephenson Excerpts

Wednesday 20th March 2024 Westminster Hall

[The Minister for Health and Secondary Care (Andrew Stephenson)]

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Dame Maria. I start by congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Jonathan Gullis) on securing this important debate. I know that he is a passionate and vocal supporter of increasing access to life-saving public defibrillators and first aid training. I pay tribute to the work of the all-party parliamentary group on defibrillators and look forward to reading its report in due course. I also pay tribute to the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon), my hon. Friends the Member for Havant (Alan Mak), and my right hon. Friend the Member for South Staffordshire (Sir Gavin Williamson) for their contributions to this short debate.

Public defibrillators can really be the difference between life and death for people who suffer what are known as out-of-hospital cardiac arrests. According to the British Heart Foundation, automated external defibrillators, AEDs, are used by bystanders in around only 10% of these types of incidents, but early defibrillation—within three to five minutes of collapse—can increase survival rates by as much as 50% to 70%. That is why we are working hard to increase the number of community defibrillators, increase public awareness and tackle the wider causes of heart attacks. I am proud that we have introduced the community automated external defibrillators fund. The £1 million match fund allows communities across England to bid for AEDs in places with high footfall, in more remote areas that have longer waiting times for emergency medical responses, in areas with high numbers of vulnerable people, and in areas that host activities that mean they are more likely to be needed.

[Sir Gavin Williamson]

I congratulate the Department of Health and Social Care on that fund. My hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Jonathan Gullis) and I referred to the charity AED Donate. There is a lot of charitable work going on in this sector. I wondered whether it would be possible for the Minister to arrange for the charity to meet up with suitable officials, so that it can best understand how it can deliver the Department’s aims and so that the Department has an understanding of what it is delivering in communities across the country.

[Andrew Stephenson]

My right hon. Friend makes a very important point. I join him in paying tribute to that organisation. I would be happy to arrange a meeting with relevant officials in the Department.

Our partners on the programme of rolling out defibrillators are Smarter Society and the London Hearts charity. They have been assessing applications for delivering additional AEDs, working with a wide and diverse range of groups. The first hundred devices that Smarter Society distributed were fully funded, and our partners at the University of Warwick helped us to prioritise the areas of greater deprivation without an AED in situ.

I am delighted to update hon. Members and tell them that, as of 12 March, Smarter Society and London Hearts have now delivered 1,590 AEDs and are working to deliver more. I would also like to pay tribute to the work of my hon. Friends in the Department for Education, who are ensuring that every state school has access to a defibrillator. I am told more than 20,000 devices have been delivered to almost 18,000 schools. That will drastically increase the chances of surviving cardiac arrest for pupils and school staff across England.

The Department for Education has supported schools in making the defibrillators available to the community, having offered external heated defibrillator cabinets to primary, special and alternative provision schools in areas of deprivation, where access to defibrillators is typically lower. It has also provided internal cabinets to secondary schools with two or more defibrillators, so one device can be placed at a sports facility where cardiac arrest is more likely to happen.

All state-funded schools are required to teach first aid as part of the mandatory relationship, sex and health education curriculum—another positive change made by the Conservatives since 2010—since we have been in government. That involves children over 12 being taught CPR and the use of a defibrillator. The Department for Education has also provided awareness videos showing how simple the defibrillators are to use, and it is encouraging schools to share the videos in staff meetings and assemblies. That will ensure that as many people as possible are able to respond in an emergency.

I know that making defibrillators as affordable as possible is important to my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North, as he set out in his speech. The Government and I agree, although we have to keep these matters under review. He will appreciate that matters relating to VAT are for my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Although having access to defibrillators is important, just as important is knowing where they are, so that they can be used in a time of crisis. That is why the NHS is working in partnership with the British Heart Foundation, the Resuscitation Council UK and the Association of Ambulance Chief Executives to set up The Circuit, which my hon. Friend talked about. The Circuit is a national database that will make it easier for ambulance services quickly to identify the nearest defibrillator when assisting someone who is having an out of hospital cardiac arrest.

As of 1 March, there were 86,337 defibrillators in the UK—68,509 in England— registered on The Circuit. We encourage everyone with an AED to register it. I can assure the House that all defibrillators granted by the community automated external defibrillator fund must be registered on The Circuit. The registration is completed by what is known as a defibrillator guardian—someone nominated by the organisation hosting the device. That role involves registering it on The Circuit, regularly checking the defibrillator to ensure that it can be used, and keeping the record updated. As I hope my hon. Friend appreciates, that is both an effective and a pragmatic approach to ensuring that defibrillators are where we think they should be, and that they continue to be ready for use in times of crisis.

I reinforce the fact that defibrillators are designed for ease of use. If there is one message I want to land in today’s debate, it is that these simple devices are easy to use, yet life-saving. Anyone can use them without formal training. That said, training is actively helpful in increasing the confident use of defibrillators in a community setting. For that reason, the NHS has partnered with St John Ambulance to help people gain the skills they need. That includes a national network of community advocates championing the importance of first-aid training, and training up 60,000 people, which will save up to 4,000 lives a year by 2028.

I would like to take the opportunity to pay tribute to those organisations and others that work tirelessly to improve defibrillator access and first aid training in communities across the country. Their contributions are crucial in getting help for people in some of the toughest moments of their lives and I cannot thank them enough.

My hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North has raised the idea of requiring defibrillator training as part of driving tests. My hon. Friend the Member for Colchester (Will Quince) was a strong supporter of that as my immediate predecessor in this role. While this is primarily a matter for the Department for Transport, I know that my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North will continue to make representations in this area. I assure him that the Government are always happy to engage in those discussions.

I am also aware of my hon. Friend’s interest in ensuring that all emergency vehicles carry AEDs as a matter of course. While the Government fully recognise that the equipment carried by emergency vehicles is an operational matter, I encourage all services to consider the benefits of carrying AEDs as a matter of routine.

On a personal note, I would like to pay tribute to David Brown, the incredible team leader of the Pendle, Padiham and Burnley community first responder team, of which I am part. I was backed up by David on the first ever cardiac arrest I attended as a community first responder almost 10 years ago. He does incredible work delivering CPR training across Pendle, as well as putting in thousands of hours as a volunteer with the North West Ambulance Service.

I would also like to pay tribute to my late constituent, Ruth Sutton. In 2016, Ruth saw a photo of me in the local newspaper unveiling a new community defibrillator in the Pendleside village of Blacko. She contacted me to see how we could get even more defibrillators across Pendle. Over the following months, she worked with me and the North West Ambulance Service, investigating possible locations to install new defibrillator cabinets. By 2018, Pendle had the best coverage for public access defibrillators in Lancashire, with 20 cabinets installed: a real, lasting legacy of a remarkable lady.

I hope that our prevention and treatment work, including the forthcoming major conditions strategy, which my Department is in the final stages of drawing up, will act as a guiding light for a faster, simpler and fairer NHS. In combination with our efforts to increase defibrillators and increase first aid training across the country, we will improve our ability to intervene in an emergency situation and to save lives.

I once again thank my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent North for securing this incredibly important debate. I look forward to working with him long into the future to make progress on this vital issue.

Question put and agreed to.