Retirement and Participation Committee Report

Baroness Seccombe Excerpts

Wednesday 16th September 2026 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Seccombe (Con)]

My Lords, I want to add my thanks to the noble Baroness, Lady Taylor of Bolton, for the many months that she and her committee wrestled with this matter, but I cannot accept the report.

I feel strongly that some Peers do not consider all the relevant issues before accepting a peerage. The first thing I did was to find out my husband’s views. He had had a stroke, and I knew his life would change if I was away most of the week. He was, of course, delighted for me and we worked together on how we would make it work. I know others who reorganise their arrangements before entering the House, planning their future, knowing that they would be here for life or when they wished to retire. Now they face an about-turn which could have many ramifications, while those who enter early in their 30s and 40s will have the privilege of spending tens of years of service in the House.

I hate retrospective legislation, and I think this proposal would be a mistake. With the world in such a topsy-turvy state, it would be wise to go into the next election with all the stability we could muster.

House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill

Baroness Seccombe Excerpts

Committee stage
Tuesday 1st April 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Seccombe (Con)]

My Lords, I feel almost ashamed to speak to this amendment, as doing so gives it credibility. I speak in sadness, as I cannot believe that any Member of this House would wish ill on our hereditary colleagues, as is suggested by the wording of this amendment. Its timing certainly favours booting out our colleagues and friends as soon as possible—it is nasty and brutal.

Our colleagues and their forebears have served this House for generations. I shall never forget the former Lord Montagu of Beaulieu telling me on his last day here that it was his duty. He could hardly speak but he thought it was his duty to attend whenever he was able. Duty was his motivation and it remains the motivation of our hereditary friends. Yet the noble Baroness wants to drive them out in this manner. I hope that all noble Lords will take this amendment and the ill intent behind it very seriously and, if there is a Division at another stage, vote against it to show respect and gratitude for what our colleagues and their ancestors have given to this House, and indeed our country, over centuries.

[Lord Grocott (Lab)]

My Lords, it has been an effort not to speak for the previous several hours, but flesh and blood can take only so much. I have listened to virtually all the debates that have taken place, including numerous Second Reading debates that took place on the first group of amendments today, with Members, kindly enough, pointing out to us that they had not had the opportunity to speak so far. We are on the fifth day in Committee and they did not speak on Second Reading, but they thought it was their duty to, in effect, give us a Second Reading speech today. They have since departed. I am sorry that they seem to have all gone somewhere else now and their interest in the Bill seems to have finished.

On my noble friend’s amendment, it is difficult for me not to repeat things. We are talking about 88 people who have known for a quarter of a century—if they know anything about these things or follow them—that this House has decided that the hereditary principle should not apply to legislators. Now, they are apparently faced with some gross injustice that will cause them great pain. As I have pointed out before, I have been summarily thrown out of Parliament, as has the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. I got over it pretty quickly, to be honest.