Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill Debate

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Department: Department of Health and Social Care
Baroness Fox of Buckley Portrait Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-Afl)
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I also want to respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Gerada. Words do matter, which is why plain speaking matters. Being told that you cannot say certain words because they might offend someone is unhelpful. Can the noble Baronesses respond to the fact that, in opinion polling, if people are asked whether they support assisted dying, many will say yes? If they are asked whether they support assisted suicide, they say no. In other words, calling something what it is—namely, suicide—is not necessarily something that the noble Baronesses should be frightened of. They cannot instruct us as legislators to do the job of spin doctors in trying to make something more palatable by using kind words. We have to be honest with the public and then they will decide; it is up to them.

Baroness Whitaker Portrait Baroness Whitaker (Lab)
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Does the noble Baroness, Lady Gerada, agree that the cardinal difference between suicide and voluntary assisted death is that voluntary assisted death applies to people who are already dying? There is no way that they are going to survive, and that seems to make the whole difference. What we seek in this Bill—and I very much support the safeguard proposed by my noble and learned friend in Amendment 87—is that the process of dying should be free from terror, pain and humiliation. It will not stop the person dying. Therefore, it is not suicide.

Lord Moore of Etchingham Portrait Lord Moore of Etchingham (Non-Afl)
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Perhaps I may follow up on the very sad story from the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, of her mother and how she died. This would not be considered to be suicide under the law, as I understand it. As has been discussed quite a lot during this Bill, refusing treatment is not suicide.