All 5 Debates between Chris Grayling and John Pugh

Mon 6th Mar 2017
Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill
Commons Chamber

2nd reading: House of Commons & Carry-over motion: House of Commons & Programme motion: House of Commons & Ways and Means resolution: House of Commons
Wed 1st Mar 2017
Bus Services Bill [Lords]
Commons Chamber

2nd reading: House of Commons

Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill

Debate between Chris Grayling and John Pugh
2nd reading: House of Commons & Carry-over motion: House of Commons & Programme motion: House of Commons & Ways and Means resolution: House of Commons
Monday 6th March 2017

(7 years, 2 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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I am aware of that issue. I am happy to give my hon. Friend such an assurance and to discuss the issue with her.

John Pugh Portrait John Pugh (Southport) (LD)
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I want to probe the Secretary of State on this business about autonomous vehicles and the responsibility of the passenger—or the driver, who is I suppose a passenger in this respect—while the vehicle is in autonomous mode. When the driver is not in control of the vehicle and the vehicle is in autonomous mode, is the driver exonerated of all legal responsibility? Is that the principle of the Bill, because surely it cannot be as simple as that?

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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The measures focus on insurance. If the vehicle is under its own control, the insurance principle is still applicable. If the insurance policy applies to the driver and the driver is not driving the vehicle, by definition the driver cannot be at fault. Under the provisions in the Bill, it will be possible to have an insurance policy that covers both eventualities of something going wrong: when the driver is driving; and when the vehicle is in autonomous mode. That is one of the key changes necessary to create an environment in which such vehicles can operate freely on the roads.

Bus Services Bill [Lords]

Debate between Chris Grayling and John Pugh
Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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My hon. Friend is right, but the interesting thing about Cornwall is that it is proceeding without seeking to use those powers, precisely because it has forged a better and stronger partnership with the local bus companies, which are already enhancing those services. That is my point. We are not seeking particular structures in particular places. We are seeking to ensure that we provide the best possible services for passengers around the country. Cornwall is already doing a very good job of that.

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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I will give way one more time and then make a good deal of progress, because other hon. Members wish to speak.

John Pugh Portrait John Pugh
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The Bill will do all sorts of good things, but it conspicuously fails to do anything for young people’s travel or mandate local authorities to consider it. Why not?

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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It is somewhat ironic that the hon. Gentleman, whose party has always argued for localism, argues for centralisation of something that I believe should be a local decision. That is a matter for local decision making and local priorities. I have no doubt that Southport Council will take wise decisions about what is best for that town, as will others around the country.

As I said, the franchising powers are not entirely new—they have been available in London for many years—but are being refreshed. Franchising enables local authorities to specify the services that should be provided to local communities, with bus companies competing for contracts to provide those services. Local authorities that implement franchising will have more influence on where and when services run, but they will remain commercial operations, with the private sector providing those services.

That is what happens in London. The deregulation of the London bus market took place in the 1980s, but took a path different from the market outside London. Competitive tendering in London was introduced in 1985, and privatisation of the bus companies took place in the mid-1990s. That has evolved into a network with almost 2.3 billion passenger journeys a year. Those powers are being extended to other Mayors in other parts of the country, to give them the opportunity to operate in the same way as London. The Bill therefore provides for the Government’s intention for all combined authorities with elected Mayors to have automatic access to franchising powers.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Chris Grayling and John Pugh
Tuesday 2nd July 2013

(10 years, 10 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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John Pugh Portrait John Pugh (Southport) (LD)
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15. What impact assessment he has conducted on the potential effect of his proposed changes to legal aid on the quality and equity of legal representation in criminal cases.

Chris Grayling Portrait The Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice (Chris Grayling)
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Although we are clear that we must continue to bear down on the cost of legal aid, under our proposals, and indeed under any actions we take, quality legal representation will still be available to all who need it.

John Pugh Portrait John Pugh
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I congratulate the Government on having the political maturity to rethink their proposals. Does the Secretary of State agree that we cannot compromise the quality of British justice, even in a time of austerity?

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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I agree with my hon. Friend. Of course, I regard the qualifications available to both the solicitors’ profession and the Bar in this country as of a high international standard. If a qualified solicitor or barrister is available to help somebody in a legal predicament, that is a sign that we are doing the right thing to support them and that will not change.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Chris Grayling and John Pugh
Tuesday 18th September 2012

(11 years, 8 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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We have seen no such evidence. If the hon. Gentleman has a constituency case that he wants to bring to us, he should feel free to do so.

John Pugh Portrait John Pugh (Southport) (LD)
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T7. What progress has been made on the disposal of core buildings that are surplus to requirements and, in some cases, unsellable?

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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There is an ongoing programme to rationalise the estate across the MOJ, as there is across Government. We should always look to maximise the utilisation of public sector office space, and we will continue to do so.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Chris Grayling and John Pugh
Monday 13th June 2011

(12 years, 11 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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John Pugh Portrait John Pugh (Southport) (LD)
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16. What recent representations he has received on his Department’s use of 0845 numbers; and if he will make a statement.

Chris Grayling Portrait The Minister of State, Department for Work and Pensions (Chris Grayling)
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The Department—and, indeed, I myself—has received several communications from customers and their representatives asking about our policy on the use of 0845 numbers and whether we have considered changing to 0300 and/or geographical numbers. In the wake of those representations, I have asked the Department to undertake an internal review about our use of 0845 numbers and see what other options might be available to us.

John Pugh Portrait John Pugh
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I thank the Minister for that response, but given that benefit clients normally have no access to a landline, that calls from mobiles can cost as much as 40p and that they could be kept waiting for information on crisis loans and disability, should we not do more and consider talking to the Telephone Helplines Association about that to make faster progress than we are currently achieving with 0300 numbers?

Chris Grayling Portrait Chris Grayling
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I agree with the hon. Gentleman. We offer a ring-back service to anybody who is concerned about the cost of the call that they are making. None the less, there is a genuine problem and I have asked the Department to consider it and ascertain whether better options are available, particularly given the number of claimants who use mobile phones.