Energy Company Obligation
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Lilian Greenwood
My hon. Friend has probably, like me, received a briefing from Calor, which has expressed particular concern about the impact in rural, off-grid locations.
In the Minister’s reply in July 2012, he praised Nottingham for its “progressive agenda” and looked forward to visiting the city in the near future to drive that agenda forward. In the event he did not visit, but he did meet me, along with representatives from Nottingham City Homes, to discuss our ideas and experiences to date. Following those positive and challenging discussions, a joint approach was developed between the city council, Nottingham City Homes and local energy efficiency charity, Nottingham Energy Partnership. They drew up the Nottingham energy saving neighbourhoods proposal, a detailed plan to maximise the insulation work on hard-to-treat homes, promote the green deal and spread benefits to private homes as well as social housing, beginning on the Clifton estate, but with the aim of transforming energy efficiency across more than 20 Nottingham neighbourhoods with hard-to-treat houses.
We were delighted to welcome the Energy Secretary to Nottingham last spring to see how the neighbourhood model had been developed and the potential for future works. He visited the Bulwell Hall super warm zone, where solid wall insulation had been rolled out to 350 council and 352 private homes. That project helped identify the factors for success that were incorporated into the energy saving neighbourhoods proposal: a large-scale project attracting funding from an energy company; the role of NCH as a trusted intermediary for council tenants, overseeing resident liaison and ensuring quality; the key role of Nottingham Energy Partnership, a local trusted and independent organisation, in contacting every private owner and facilitating private resident engagement; and support from the city council’s planning department in developing an attractive insulation solution to suit the area. It also demonstrated the potential to support Nottingham’s local jobs plan, employing more than 200 people and supporting local employment and the development of the solid wall insulation industry.
Responding to Nottingham’s energy saving neighbourhoods proposal, the Minister wrote:
“I was delighted to see the ambitious proposals you have developed to deliver the Green Deal across Nottingham, in particular your plans for a neighbourhood wide approach fits our vision for the delivery of the Green Deal.”
Although we were unable to persuade the Minister to provide financial support for the energy saving neighbourhoods proposal, when the Department launched its green deal communities fund the following July, we were delighted to see the similarities to our plan. It seemed clear that in Nottingham we were already pursuing precisely the sort of innovative, cross-tenure, area-based approach Ministers were looking for.
The scheme was launched in Clifton in September last year under the branding, Nottingham Greener HousiNG, and was an immediate success. As I explained in last Monday’s estimates day debate, the scheme offered external wall insulation at an affordable fixed price based on property type, so private residents paid a contribution of between £1,000 and £1,300 depending on whether they lived in a bungalow, mid-terrace, end-terrace or semi-detached house. Most residents chose to fund their contribution using savings or via informal help from family and 10% took up the option of a loan from Nottingham Credit Union, which was low cost and could be repaid early without incurring a penalty. None chose to utilise green deal finance, even though the option was set out alongside others available.
The remainder of the cost—around 85%—was funded by British Gas as part of its energy company obligation. The insulation works were rolled out street by street across the Clifton housing estate, to council properties and privately owned homes alike. As residents saw their estate being transformed and heard neighbours describe their warm homes and lower bills, demand continued to grow. Within weeks, hundreds of residents had signed up and by the end of November more than 90% of council tenants had agreed to have the work done and there was 65% take-up in the private sector, with more than 1,000 private residents or landlords having signed up and paid their contribution towards getting the work done.
The feedback from residents was overwhelming. People told me that their homes were warm for the first time ever and that they were saving money and were excited about the improved appearance of the estate. Those signed up were impatient for work to start on their homes.
The Energy Secretary’s statement on 2 December prompted high anxiety in Clifton, and that anxiety turned to despair when British Gas used the opportunity of the Government’s policy change to pull out of the Clifton scheme. Last week, the other Energy Minister, the right hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Michael Fallon), responding to the debate, said that I had “suggested” that our Clifton scheme was
“a victim of the changes taking place in the ECO arrangements.”—[Official Report, 3 March 2014; Vol. 576, c. 722.]
I did not suggest it, I quoted the statement from British Gas in which it said,
“In light of the Government’s proposed changes to the ECO, it was necessary for us to review our current ECO contracts. These changes mean we can no longer fund some projects and unfortunately this is the case with our planned programme with VolkerLaser and Nottingham City Homes”.
It could not be clearer. The Minister’s Government’s ECO changes have led to the collapse of our energy efficiency scheme. As a direct result of his policy shift, hundreds of my constituents in Clifton who have paid for solid wall insulation do not know whether they will get it.
The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker)
I will respond fully in my closing remarks, but I do not want the hon. Lady to scare or alarm her constituents unnecessarily. I spoke yesterday to the chief executive of Nottingham city council, and we are working closely with Nottingham on a new bid for our green deal communities. Although I cannot announce the result of that bid for our green deal communities fund, Nottingham has made a robust proposal that aims to deliver hundreds of measures, if not more than 1,000 measures, of the type the hon. Lady describes in south Clifton. Far from being dead and over, the south Clifton scheme has every reason to be optimistic.
Lilian Greenwood
I thank the Minister for his intervention. Unfortunately, my constituents are both scared and alarmed. They will, however, welcome his indication that there is hope for the scheme in south Clifton. There are many more people across Nottingham South who do not know if or when they will get the help they need with their fuel bills. They continue to live in cold homes that affect their health and the health of their children.
Gregory Barker
No; I obviously did not explain this properly. What I am saying is that we could not do the whole lot, the 7 million or so—I think that that is the figure, off the top of my head—properties that need to be done at this price, so what we are doing, as we work with other technologies, is getting the market going, using the green deal communities subsidy and the cashback that we have announced to jump-start the market and to fund the amount that we judge we can afford. That is in order to get the market working and to bring forward innovation; and as the market gets going, so we will see the price come down. We should use Government policy as a lever to drive down the cost, just as we have used Government policy in support of feed-in-tariff technologies as a means of driving down cost; and as costs come down, that should not be passed across in inflated profits to installers. It should come across in benefits to consumers, whether they are bill payers or people who are purchasing the technology. That is at the heart of the green deal.
We are trying to move away from the model that was used under Labour, in which there was 100% subsidy. Basically, what that meant was a glorified lottery. Millions of homes were substandard, and each year a lucky few thousand would win the lottery of insulation and get every single measure fully funded. I do not begrudge those home owners or people in the rented sector who had their homes upgraded, but that is not the fairest way of doing it. Yes, there are those who are fuel-poor who will never be able to make a meaningful contribution. We must accept that, but most people who fall into this category are capable of making a meaningful contribution to something that will add considerably to the value of their home.
Lilian Greenwood
My constituents back in Nottingham who are listening to these comments will probably be shouting at their radios and televisions. They will say to the Minister, “We are making a contribution to the cost of getting our homes insulated and we are precisely the sort of hard-working families that the Minister talks about.” They might feel somewhat let down by the sort of comments that he is making.
Gregory Barker
No. I refer back to my earlier comments: I think that there are grounds for optimism for the hon. Lady’s constituents. She is right: we have had to bear down on the cost of delivering ECO. However, we have put in place other measures, which will allow schemes such as that in Nottingham to go forward. We have already announced—
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Gregory Barker
I take my hon. Friend’s points extremely seriously, not least because he did a great deal for this group of people when he was an energy Minister. Speaking as someone who is off the gas grid, I am delighted to say that I recently joined my local community’s syndicate for buying heating oil, and it has delivered a very good price. I encourage others to do the same. The good point that my hon. Friend raises is under review. We are looking at more effective data matching to identify those in fuel poverty in rural areas who are often much harder to find than those in similar circumstances in urban areas. We are absolutely on it; I can assure my hon. Friend of that.
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
There was anger and deep disappointment in my constituency this week when British Gas announced that, as a direct result of the Minister’s changes to the ECO, it is pulling out of the scheme that was due to deliver external wall insulation to up to 4,700 concrete houses in Clifton by March 2015. Will the right hon. Gentleman agree to meet me and local partners urgently to discuss whether there is a possible future for this scheme?
Gregory Barker
I will certainly meet the hon. Lady, and I shall be happy to look at the matter in more detail. It is primarily a matter for British Gas, which has an obligation to deliver, at scale, measures to help the fuel poor, but we are determined to ensure that those measures are enforced.
The ECO is now in good health, and we have extended it to 2017. Unlike the programmes introduced by the last Government, which were very stop-go and hand-to-mouth—for instance, the carbon emissions reduction target was initially scheduled to apply to one year but was then extended for another year and then another—the ECO will provide investor certainty until 2017, which is good news for the fuel poor.
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Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
13. What steps he is taking to help households improve their energy efficiency.
The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker)
Our flagship energy efficiency measure is the green deal, which is supported by the £1.3 billion per annum energy company obligation. We are making very good progress towards its introduction, which starts this autumn, and we expect roll-out to grow strongly in 2013 and beyond, bringing new entrants, greater competition, consumer choice and innovation to this growing market.
Gregory Barker
Absolutely. The hon. Lady makes a sound point, and that is exactly why I shall shortly be issuing new guidance to local authorities, under the Home Energy Conservation Act 1995, making it clear that I expect every single local authority to draw up a strategy to roll out the green deal to all parts of their areas. Local authorities and communities are key to the success of the green deal.
Lilian Greenwood
In the last five years of the Labour Government, 2,456 people in my constituency got help through Warm Front to make their homes more energy efficient and to cut their energy bills. Can the Minister explain why just 80 people in Nottingham South were helped last year?
Gregory Barker
I cannot give the hon. Lady a breakdown of that, but I can tell her—[Interruption.] I will happily write with more detail about Nottingham South, but I can say that we helped a large number of people through Warm Front last year. However, we need to do much more than we could possibly achieve under the relatively limited Warm Front programme, which experienced so many troubles when the Labour party was in government. The green deal is going to be transformational and offer not just the very poor but everyone the opportunity to retrofit their homes.
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
T6. Under Nottingham’s decent homes programme, more than 15,000 tonnes of carbon will be saved each year. Nottingham City Homes, the local arm’s length management organisation, can use decent homes funding to lever in additional benefits from the green deal’s energy company obligation, but that funding remains indicative for 2013 to 2015. What discussions has the Secretary of State had with the Department for Communities and Local Government on decent homes funding and will he join me in praising the environmental benefits achieved by Nottingham’s “Secure Warm Modern” programme?
Gregory Barker
I would go further and praise Nottingham for a whole range of things that it is doing. It has a very progressive agenda and I look forward to visiting Nottingham in the near future to engage on how we can drive that agenda forward. I cannot comment in detail on something that is the responsibility of DCLG—the decent homes programme—but I can say that we are keen for the green deal programme to leverage in all sorts of additional finance where possible. It is about not just energy efficiency but the wider sustainable regeneration of areas such as Nottingham.
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Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
T4. The Government’s announcement of a minimum energy efficiency standard for private rented homes is welcome, but the hundreds of tenants in Nottingham living in cold, damp F and G-rated homes should not have to wait until 2018 for it to be introduced. I heard the Secretary of State’s reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Hyndburn (Graham Jones), but would the legislation not be more effective if a register of landlords was introduced so that they can be informed about the new standard and directed to information about the green deal and other measures that might help them to improve their properties?
The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker)
The hon. Lady is right that we are taking action to ensure that the private rented sector enjoys the full benefits of the green deal, but she is wrong to assume that tenants will only learn about this from a council information leaflet or some regulated communication. The most powerful element in driving the green deal forward will be the market, the new competition, the big retailers and the new entrants into the market. That will create a huge wave of interest across the country in all sectors.
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Gregory Barker
Not for the first time, the hon. Gentleman has his numbers wrong: it is not 5 GW, but 5 MW—and 5 MW is still the equivalent of heating 1,500 homes. The fact of the matter is that the scheme we inherited from the previous Government—[Interruption] If the hon. Gentleman calms down, he will have the answer. Given the scheme we inherited, we had some choices to make: we supported either people in their homes, small businesses and communities or very large-scale schemes. We decided to support home owners and consumers; the hon. Gentleman can support big single investors. As I say, it is a clear choice.
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
2. What steps he is taking to provide funding for further carbon capture and storage demonstration projects.
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The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker)
It is important to take a holistic approach to these green and sustainability questions. My hon. Friend is a fantastic champion of the big society in Harlow, and I would be delighted to go there with him to see what is being achieved there.
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
As the Minister knows, the Meadows neighbourhood in Nottingham South is striving to become a low-carbon community. The three local primary schools, the community gardens and 55 local families are now benefiting from the feed-in tariff through their community-owned energy company, MOZES. Can he guarantee that his review of the feed-in tariff will not endanger its continued success?
Gregory Barker
I am delighted to answer this question, not least because I had the privilege of going to the Meadows last autumn and was very impressed with what I saw there. I can absolutely confirm that there is nothing retrospective about the feed-in tariff review. Any community, group or individual claiming the tariff will see no change in their tariff.
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Gregory Barker
We have not dropped a commitment from the coalition agreement, but we will be looking very carefully at the new measures to see whether they can do the job. I remain as committed to ensuring that we are at the forefront of the battle against illegal logging as we were on the day we were elected.
Lilian Greenwood (Nottingham South) (Lab)
9. What recent steps he has taken to improve the insulation of private rented accommodation.