National Health Service

Lord O'Shaughnessy Excerpts

Tuesday 10th October 2017 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Walmsley]

To ask Her Majesty's Government what assessment they have made of remarks by the Chief Inspector of Hospitals that the NHS is not fit for the 21st century.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health (Lord O'Shaughnessy) (Con)]

My Lords, the Government agree with Professor Baker’s statement that,

“we need a model of care that is fit for the 21st century and the population as it is now”.

That is why we are backing the NHS’s own plans for transformation with an extra £8 billion a year in real terms by 2020-21 and an extra £2 billion over the next three years for social care.

[Baroness Walmsley (LD)]

I thank the Minister for his reply. Does he also agree with Professor Ted Baker’s statement:

“The model of care we have got is still the model we had in the 1960s”,


and that this “needs to change”? Can the Minister say how many of the new models of care are up and running and how many of the sustainability and transformation plans are in special measures? On World Mental Health Day, will he look into how many clinical commissioning groups are failing to commission good and timely mental health care, especially for young people?

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

The noble Baroness asked a few questions that I will try to deal with. First, on new models of care and STPs: STPs are now being ranked in order to see their fitness for moving forward. The Chancellor announced in the Budget that we will invest £325 million initially, with more funding in the future to support the transformation that we all want to see. The noble Baroness is right to point out that our care model is still based around hospitals and curing infectious diseases, rather than dealing with chronic illnesses and comorbidities. That needs to change.

I echo, as the noble Baroness would, the Care Quality Commission’s report, which talked about staff dedication—nowhere is that more true than in mental health, where staff often deal with very difficult circumstances. It is important to talk about that on World Mental Health Day. She may be interested to know that the Cabinet was briefed today by mental health experts about training programmes going into schools, and so on. There is a lot of work going on, but these are the NHS’s own plans for change, which this Government are backing.

[Lord Kakkar (CB)]

I speak as Professor of Surgery at UCL and chairman of UCL Partners. It is widely accepted that innovation is essential to ensure NHS sustainability. Are Her Majesty’s Government satisfied that there is sufficient emphasis on and support for NHS England in driving types of innovation, such as therapeutic innovation—both in models of care and working practices—that will achieve long-term sustainability?

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

The noble Lord makes an excellent point. It is true to say that in this country we are very good at creativity and innovation but not always very good at spreading it round. In a way, that is one of the biggest challenges the NHS faces. I would merely highlight a couple of areas where the NHS is working well. The first is the test beds programme, which is working with industry, taking new innovations and spreading them round. Secondly, we have committed to publishing our response to the accelerated access review by the end of the month on how to make sure the most transformative drugs, devices and therapies are taken up throughout the system.

[Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Lab)]

My Lords, can I ask the Minister about the sustainability and transformation programmes? Has he seen the report issued by the King’s Fund last week that said we have fewer acute beds in this country than almost any comparable country? It also pointed out that the plan of many STPs is to reduce acute care numbers even further. I fully accept that we could use our beds and discharge patients more effectively, but the King’s Fund warns that STP plans to further cut acute beds are unsustainable. Will the Government consider that?

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS, made an important point several months ago about reconfigurations. Any reconfiguration has to meet four criteria: clinical need, popular support and so on. He added a fifth, which was about taking out beds. Those STPs are judged on their ability to meet the changing needs of their population. If there are proposals to take out beds which mean that those needs will not be met, such reconfigurations will not be accepted.

[Lord McColl of Dulwich (Con)]

Does the Minister agree that the major problem in the NHS today is the enormous increase in demand? It is not old people getting older; it is not young people being couch potatoes, because inactivity does not cause obesity. The obesity epidemic is what is wrecking the NHS.

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

The NHS is seeing more people than ever—I think that some 1,500 more people a day are being seen in A&E. A lot more people are going through the service. The truth is that there are a number of factors: there are factors around lifestyle and around ageing. The point is that we have to change. At the heart of this Question is the comment made by the chief inspector about our not having new models of care. We need to change the way in which we provide care. That means integrated care, with much more of it based in the community. That means us all taking difficult political decisions about how care is configured so that it meets changing needs related to obesity and ageing.

[Lord Clark of Windermere (Lab)]

My Lords, a major problem facing the NHS is the drastic shortage of nurses. As the Government have changed the funding of nurse training at universities and as those universities now have their students in place, can the Minister give us any figures on the number of nurses in training in this current year?

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

I know that the noble Lord has been concerned about this issue. I hope that he heard my right honourable friend the Secretary of State announce last week not only an increase in the number of nursing associate places, where qualification is through an apprenticeship route, but a 25% increase in the number of degree training places and funding for the clinical placements that they involve.

[Lord Patel (CB)]

Can the Minister say whether he found helpful the House of Lords Select Committee report on the long-term sustainability of the NHS and social care?

[Lord O'Shaughnessy]

The noble Lord knows that I found it extremely helpful. It has pride of place on the coffee table in my office, and we will of course respond to it in due course.