3 Lord Trees debates involving the Department for Work and Pensions

Higher Education: Affordability and Quality

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Thursday 2nd July 2026

(3 weeks, 5 days ago)

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My Lords, I join fellow noble Lords in thanking my noble friend Lady Deech for securing this important debate. As we have heard several times this evening, two major problems are converging in the higher education field. The first is the underfunding of universities: the Office for Students has warned that 45% of higher education providers are likely to run a deficit in 2025 and 2026. The second problem, of course, is the colossal accumulation of student debt: in England alone, it has reached the figure of £295 billion and is continuing to increase, and much of it will remain unpaid.

There is no doubt, as we have heard from many noble Lords, that our best universities are world class and a jewel in our crown, and our objective should be to ensure their financial sustainability. But I question whether we need all the universities that currently exist. That may be a heresy from someone who has worked in higher education for 30 years, but we have to be honest about the problems we face and the possible solutions.

The seeds of this problem lie in the policy of then Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1999, who set a goal to have 50% of 18 to 30 year-olds attending university. Following this, the number of UK higher education institutions rose by 45% up to 2021, but the attendant fall in further education colleges was 40% over the same period. What was the evidence for that goal of 50%? It sounds to me more like a political slogan than an evidence-based objective. It created an image and impression that, if you did not go to uni, you were some kind of failure, and it encouraged many young people to pursue expensive degree programmes of questionable worth.

That is not just my opinion: the Augar report in 2019 concluded that

“too many students were being recruited to poor-value higher education courses … with both poor graduate retention … and poor graduate outcomes”.

In January 2026, an analysis by the Centre for Social Justice found, sadly, that over 700,000 graduates were out of work and claiming benefits.

To be kind, in 1999, the incredible recent developments in AI probably could not have been anticipated, but now it is quite clear that AI will have a differential effect on the job market, with vocational and customer contact roles—such as those in social and health care, catering and hospitality, building, plumbing, fixing things in general—less likely to suffer than many roles formerly regarded as for graduates. We are likely to need fewer graduates but more people trained in technical, vocational and practical skills. Indeed, many students will be better served by vocational programmes, preparing for employment and a defined career path. Five years after qualifying, a higher level 4 apprentice earns almost £12,500 more than a graduate from a low-value university course, and £5,000 more than the average graduate.

Although we are likely to need fewer graduates in toto, we will require graduates from those quality institutions providing the academic and technically demanding qualifications we absolutely still need in certain key sectors. Yet, by expanding the total numbers of universities and university students, we have reduced their unit of resource for all such programmes. An example in the HE sector with which I am familiar is that of veterinary education. Our veterinary schools are world class, with five in the global top 20, but their funding for UK students is inadequate, and to compensate for this shortfall, which the noble Baroness, Lady Warwick, reminded us was in the region of £10,000 per student per year, many vet schools are admitting substantial numbers of overseas students. Currently, over 20% of veterinary graduates from UK vet schools are overseas students.

This pattern is repeated in many other degree programmes, which provide the high-value graduates urgently needed for our strategic sectors, yet government support plus fees is inadequate. Because of changing immigration policies, which have been referred to, pursuing large numbers of overseas students is now an insecure and probably unsustainable means of propping up quality higher education. What plans do His Majesty’s Government have to close this funding gap? I suggest that we need to value the huge range of contributions to society by tertiary education in its entirety, ranging from vocational skills to academic degrees, and give targeted and appropriate funding to each element. Currently, I suggest that we are failing the country’s needs and the capabilities of our young people. Let us focus our finite resources in an evidence-based way to satisfy the aspirations of students and the actual needs of society for our economic and intellectual growth.

Health: Neglected Tropical Diseases

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Thursday 6th February 2014

(12 years, 5 months ago)

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My Lords, it is my pleasure to join others in thanking the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, for initiating this important debate. The control of NTDs is a challenge, the success of tackling which has been to some extent quite remarkable to date. To make it a total success story, it is critical that the international community maintains the momentum of the London declaration of 2012 to achieve the goals of the WHO NTD 2012 road map on implementation for the control, elimination and in some cases eradication of NTDs between 2015 and 2020.

Most of the NTDs are parasitic or bacterial diseases characterised, as has been said, by high morbidity and chronicity, which affect some 1.4 billion people in the world. These are severely debilitating and, in some cases, disfiguring diseases, which have profound social, cultural and economic effects. They contribute to poverty and poverty contributes to their causes in a potentially permanent cycle of poverty. This restrains economic development, social justice, equality and female emancipation, as females and children are particularly at risk. The targeting of these diseases is therefore an important contribution for the attainment of the millennium development goals and any such targets to be set thereafter.

Historically, these have been relatively neglected diseases, although, as a number of noble Lords have commented, not by the very strong UK scientific community working in this area. Indeed, we can take pride in the efforts of British scientists such as Professor David Molyneux at Liverpool, Professor Peter Holmes in Glasgow—he is chairman of the NTD committee of WHO—and many others. We have heard about the contributions from Dundee, Imperial and others. We can take great pride in the contribution of those British scientists to ensuring that these diseases are getting adequate research attention. Critically, the WHO and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, among other NGOs, are now taking these diseases seriously.

The other major factor, which has not had a great deal of attention in this debate so far but is a major contribution to the control of these diseases, is the generous donation of drugs worth between $2 billion and $3 billion a year by a number of pharmaceutical companies. In spite of this remarkable commercial philanthropy, there is still a funding gap, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, has commented, not only in ensuring adequate surveillance, monitoring and delivery of the drugs that we have, but also in research to improve therapies and to provide, in some cases, vaccines. British institutions have a major role to play in this.

Only 0.6% of overseas development assistance for health is devoted to NTDs. The British Government have set an excellent example, along with the US Government and NGOs, but I join the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, in urging the Government to exert all the pressure that they can on other richer countries, particularly in the EU, to ensure that they contribute more to this endeavour.

If ever there was a case of enlightened self-interest, this is it. Healthier, wealthier populations can feed themselves better, relieving the pressure on global food supplies; they are more stable, relieving the pressure on migration; and, ultimately, they will be purchasers of the products and services that richer countries can provide. Tackling the NTDs gives a big bang for one’s buck. Huge benefits accrue from relatively modest investment. Not only does it make economic sense, but it satisfies our obligations to relieve poverty, create opportunity and achieve fairness and social justice for all in our world.

Leveson Inquiry

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Friday 11th January 2013

(13 years, 6 months ago)

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My Lords, it is with considerable excitement, a great sense of honour and no little trepidation that I rise to give my maiden speech. In thinking about it—because of the postponement, I have had rather longer to think about it than I might have wished—I realise that the custom in this House of not being able to speak freely from the Floor until one has given one’s maiden speech is a very polite way of ensuring something that I personally always observe when entering any new organisation; namely, for a while, it is wise to keep one’s ears open and one’s mouth shut. However, the time has come to open my mouth.

You may wonder why a veterinary surgeon such as myself should want to speak in the Leveson debate. I shall come to that in a moment but, first, there are some courtesies to observe that I am very pleased to do. Like others before me, I have received a very warm welcome in this place from all the Members and staff of all types, and I am extremely grateful to everyone for their kindness, good advice and the warmth of their welcome. I should also like to thank my two supporting Peers at my introduction: the noble Lord, Lord Owen, was the chancellor of the University of Liverpool throughout the seven years that I was dean of the School of Veterinary Science there—he was a great supporter of the faculty; and the noble Lord, Lord Soulsby, as your Lordships will know, was the first veterinary surgeon to enter this House, and was indeed the only one until my arrival. Moreover, Lawson Soulsby has been a great personal academic friend and colleague. We are both parasitologists. That has caused some of my veterinary colleagues rather uncharitably to wonder if the study of parasites is an appropriate requisite to serve in this House, but I could not possibly comment. Finally, I would like to thank my noble friend Lady Mar who has been a great support to me before entering and since and is a source of constant advice, thanks to her 37 years, I think it is, of experience in this place.

On the more substantive issue, why speak on the Leveson debate? I am a veterinary surgeon. I am a member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and we are subject to a self-regulatory process underpinned by statute, which is exactly what Leveson proposes. As a member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, I have been subject to that professional regulation throughout my professional career up to and including now. As president of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons some three years ago, I was part of the executive arm of that regulatory framework sitting on the preliminary investigation committee, which is analogous to the complaints mechanism that Leveson proposes.

I am sure that those of your Lordships who have had contact with the veterinary profession will agree that the system works and that the veterinary profession provides a fantastic system of healthcare for the animals in this country and for their owners. It is a system of the highest integrity and ethics in the public interest, which does not curtail individual professional freedom.

I appreciate that analogies between professional regulation and press regulation are not entirely apt. When we talk about press regulation we are talking about the regulation of journalism, not of journalists. That is partly because of the problem of defining who is a journalist.

Strictly speaking, journalists are not members of a profession in a technical sense. They do not undergo an accredited period of training leading to entry to a register, the acceptance of a code of conduct or the acceptance of disciplinary processes and sanctions which may ultimately remove them from that register or list. Therein may lie some of the problem, but I suggest that is a different debate and one to which the journalistic profession, if I may call it that, might like to give some thought.

While the analogy is not entirely apt, there are some general principles in any regulatory system which are essential to give it credibility and to assure the public. They include such things as inclusivity; all the relevant parties must be involved. Public protection cannot be an optional extra left to the individual whim of the operator to join in with or not as they see fit. There must be a code, of course, agreed by all. There must be independence of the regulator. Here I would like to mention something that has not been mentioned so far: the important role that lay persons can play in regulatory bodies. There must be appropriate sanctions and, I would suggest, statutory backing, which among other things is there to ensure the inclusivity and effectiveness of sanctions.

These are all elements of professional regulation and of course they are essential elements recommended by Leveson in his report. The last element—statutory underpinning—is the most controversial; however, I stress that the proposal is about the process of regulation, not the action of individuals. It is difficult to see how one could ensure inclusivity and also that sanctions are enforceable without a degree of statutory underpinning.

Leveson offers an ingenious solution regarding inclusivity. It is the recognition body that has the statutory underpinning; it is there just to ensure that the regulatory body, which is at arm’s length, properly does its job and particularly that all the news publishers of importance are included in and subject to the regulatory body, which itself is independent. To suggest that the freedom of the press would be curtailed is to ignore that critical separation. It is also to ignore the important role the lay members of the recognition body and the regulatory body would play. Those lay members will be every bit as anxious to preserve the freedom of the press as they will be to ensure that it behaves ethically and properly.

It is not just vets who are subject to professional regulation with statutory backing. Many in this House who are members of the legal profession are so regulated. Are we suggesting that lawyers and barristers cannot seek truth and justice, cannot ensure fairness and freedom and cannot root out crime and corruption because they are subject to regulation with statutory underpinning? No.

This is the seventh report, I think, in as many decades on this subject. Not to act decisively on this occasion would be like St Augustine—who, your Lordships may remember, was troubled with thoughts of lustfulness all his life—asking God not once, but for the seventh time, “God grant me chastity, but not yet”.