Maternity Commissioner

Debate between Caroline Johnson and Michelle Welsh

Monday 20th April 2026 Westminster Hall

[Dr Caroline Johnson (Sleaford and North Hykeham) (Con)]

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Ms Jardine. I declare an interest as an NHS consultant paediatrician. I have attended more than 1,000 deliveries of babies over my career. More recently, they have been more likely to be the ones where things were going wrong and where there were more concerns about the baby, as my role is about looking after the infant.

I have also had my own three children. The hon. Member for Esher and Walton (Monica Harding) described having a mixed experience; I had three healthy children, but the first one was a normal delivery, the second a somewhat chaotic emergency caesarean section and the third a nice and smooth, peaceful elective caesarean section, so I had a range of experiences.

I congratulate the hon. and learned Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Tony Vaughan) on his opening speech. I particularly thank Theo Clarke—my friend and former colleague—and Louise Thompson for their campaign on maternity safety. They have shown incredible bravery in talking about their experiences and challenging the taboos around the troubles related to pregnancy. In particular, I commend Theo for her talk about perineal injuries, because this has been something spoken about in hushed tones and quietly among women and not something discussed in the public arena, but once it is spoken about in the public arena, that courage enables other women to find the courage to come forward and talk about it. That is how we will ensure that these injuries become less likely and the treatment becomes better, so I thank them for their work on that.

Since the petition was launched, it has received more than 150,000 signatures, including 270 from my constituency. As a parent, I know that bringing a child into the world is one of the most rewarding and exciting experiences in life. As has also been said, it generally goes well—reasonably smoothly, if not completely smoothly—and the outcome is generally good. But for too many women, their experience is deeply traumatic. Every year, 30,000 women suffer negative experiences during pregnancy, and one in 20 of those goes on to suffer from PTSD.

The APPG on birth trauma ran an inquiry into birth trauma, soliciting 1,300 submissions. What it detailed painted a shocking picture. It spoke of mothers left unattended to in hospital beds and some left in their own blood or faeces for hours on end; vaginal examinations undertaken without consent and in some cases triggering a mother’s waters to break; mothers belittled; concerns torn from the records; a baby dying during delivery after concerns were raised 44 times in vain; and significant mental health consequences and debilitating effects of perineal injury.

Every single failing we have heard about today is one too many. As I have said, maternity care is generally safe, but it is not safe enough yet. I am proud that the previous Government identified maternity care as a priority and began making some improvements. There is a way to go, but the previous Government launched a maternity and neonatal safety strategy, funded the saving babies’ lives care bundle, setting out evidence-based practices for providers and commissioners of maternity care in England, and rolled out maternal medicine networks in 2023. They established 17 centres of excellence to help women with high-risk conditions to get the care that they need when they need it. The previous Government’s reforms were backed by £127 million of investment specifically for maternity and neonatal care, and much of that was focused on the workforce.

Because of these efforts, more babies are delivered safely than ever before. Between 2010 and 2022, stillbirths fell by 25% and maternal mortality fell by 17%. The improvements were in large part overseen by my right hon. Friend the Member for Godalming and Ash (Sir Jeremy Hunt). He has saved countless lives with these improvements and deserves much credit for that.

I am concerned about the trajectory that we are currently on, because as has been said, there is still quite a lot left to do. In June, the Health Secretary agreed. He said that

“we’re not making progress fast enough on the biggest patient safety challenge facing our country”,

but he has responded with another inquiry. He did say that it would be a rapid inquiry, but it took months—in fact, till September—to decide which trusts would be involved in that inquiry, and then that was changed in and of itself. It was announced almost a year ago, has been much delayed and has still not reported. Hopefully it will be a great report when it has reported, but the delay means that action is not taking place quickly enough.

As has been mentioned, Baroness Amos found in her interim report that 748 recommendations had been made over the last decade, but progress in delivering on them had been too slow. Could the Minister update the House on how many remained undelivered on at the point of the general election and how many she has delivered on since?

In June, Ministers also announced a maternity and neonatal taskforce; and in November, I tabled questions asking how many times the taskforce had sat and who was on it. The answer was that they had not decided yet. In January, the question was raised again and they still had not decided. It took until last month for the Government to decide who was going to be on their urgently created taskforce from last year.

[Michelle Welsh]

Does the hon. Member agree that working with the families to get the taskforce right, which has never happened before with any Government, is key? Getting the taskforce working and getting the right people on that taskforce is essential as well.

[Dr Johnson]

I completely agree with the hon. Lady that it is important to get the taskforce right, I am just not sure that it needed to take quite so long to do so. We heard a statistic earlier about how many babies are born and how often; I think about how many babies have been born in the intervening time, while the membership of the taskforce was being finalised.

[Michelle Welsh]

There are more than 2,500 families involved in the Nottingham inquiry, some of whose cases were never reported appropriately. Given that, does the hon. Member agree that it is important to get the taskforce right, because so many bad things happened under the previous Government’s watch that were not reported to the inquiry and are not in the statistics and data that she has spoken about?

Black Maternal Health Awareness Week

Debate between Caroline Johnson and Michelle Welsh

Tuesday 29th April 2025 Westminster Hall

[Dr Johnson]

I think we have both made our positions clear. I accept that some people will have received poor care and that the people who delivered that poor care need to be hauled over the coals. They need to be called out for what they have done and we must ensure that such care does not happen again. But I do not accept that the NHS is a racist organisation.

Another issue is language barriers. It is well recognised that it is difficult for people who have a language barrier to access health services. Can the Minister tell us what the Government are doing to help with that? In recent years in my medical career I have seen improvements in the delivery of language services, but when I was a more junior doctor an appointment needed to be booked in advance and an interpreter had to attend in person. Sometimes they were available and sometimes they were not. Sometimes other members of staff or family members would be used to interpret, which is a poor standard of care, relatively speaking.

[Michelle Welsh]

Is it possible for the hon. Member to highlight what part of the NHS she worked in? The reported experiences of interpretation and translation nationally are very different from what she is describing, which does not reflect the factual accounts and certainly does not reflect what has been happening in Nottinghamshire.

[Dr Johnson]

I did the junior part of my medical career in Nottinghamshire. I am describing what happened in the junior part of my career, which is about 20 years ago now. My experience 20 years ago was that it was very difficult to get interpreters, and that the people used to interpret were not proper interpreters and not the appropriate people. That should not be happening.

The service is still not perfect, but over time we have seen translation services improve. Many hospitals have instituted new iPad systems where one can choose a country of origin or the language that the person speaks, and a dial-up system of interpreters working from home is used to provide an interpreting system. That is much better—it is more available to the patient than the services we had in the past, which required someone in person—but it is still not perfect. We still see areas across the country where those services and that interpretation are unavailable to people. How will the Minister ensure that women who have difficulties with the English language are able to access interpreters when they need them—not just for appointments, but for out-of-hours emergencies? That is when interpreters are most difficult to obtain, particularly for languages spoken by fewer people in the United Kingdom.

I want to ask about the Government’s plans. The previous Government instituted a three-year plan, which comes to an end next year. When will the Government produce the plan? They talked about their 10-year NHS plan, which they said they would produce in the spring. I believe we are in the spring now—if we look outside, it is a beautiful day; the flowers are out and the lambs have been born. Where is the plan that the Government promised? What targets are they going to set, and when, to improve maternity care for all women, and specifically for black women?