Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill Debate
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Commons ChamberIn the interests of time, I will address the amendments at the end of proceedings, when I have heard from them—I think we have the gist of most of those issues. I restate our firm commitment to the Bill and all clauses.
Let me turn to clause 4 and clarify how we are defining “UK medical graduate” and “the priority group” for the purposes of the Bill. “UK medical graduate” in this context excludes those who have spent all or the majority of their time training for their medical qualification outside the British isles. This means that if a person has obtained a primary UK qualification but has studied mainly overseas, they will not be eligible for prioritisation as a UK medical graduate unless they fall into another group that is to be prioritised under the Bill. While internationally educated graduates from overseas remain an important part of the workforce and can continue to be recruited under the Bill, we are committed to growing home-grown talent, who are more likely to work in the NHS for longer, and to be better equipped to deliver healthcare tailored to the UK’s population.
Clause 8 sets out the territorial extent of the Bill and deals with commencement. The Bill extends to England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and we have worked closely with the devolved Governments to ensure that it meets all needs and provides consistency. We are grateful to them for their support in bringing these measures forward so quickly. The Bill will engage the legislative consent motion process, and the devolved Governments have committed to commence this process in their Parliaments.
To ensure that the systems, planning and operational capacity required for successful implementation are in place, the Bill will be commenced
“on such day or days as the Secretary of State may by regulations appoint.”
As the Secretary of State outlined on Second Reading, this is an important fail-safe to ensure that we are not in a position in which a law is enacted that we cannot implement effectively at the time. I am happy to expand on that after we have discussed the amendments, but the key issue is the ability of the NHS and training providers to deliver the measure. That is why we have a fail-safe; we first need to be very clear that the NHS is in a position to deliver. Members have talked about the strikes. Those would be one consideration, and there are many others. We are asking the NHS and training providers to do something very difficult very quickly, and in order to ensure that they have the capacity and capability to do it safely, we are reserving the right to commence the Bill at a later date, rather than at the end of this Session. I will come back to the amendments when I close the debate.
I call the shadow Minister.
As always, Mrs Cummins, it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship. I rise to speak to new clause 2, which stands in my name and is supported by many other Conservative Members. I declare again that I am now a non-practising doctor and my wife is a doctor.
I believe that ambition should be encouraged, and success should be dependent on the talent and hard work of the individual. However, in a vocation where we really want to encourage and support the brightest and the best, the signal being beamed out by the NHS and its various arms and quangos is unfortunately quite different. We have already seen this over the years in how the NHS treats competence and excellence among doctors—someone could be the best doctor in the world and be treated exactly the same as someone who is just about competent. No other operation would approach employment, and celebrating and supporting success, in that way.
I do not think, though, that I have ever seen as egregious and extreme an example of completely ignoring talent and merit as the preference informed allocation system. The shadow Minister, my hon. Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Dr Johnson), has laid out some of the details behind that system, but I encourage Members across the Committee to read about how preference informed allocation works—about the soulless, computerised, algorithmic method by which it allocates human beings a random number. That random number is then the sum total of those people’s dreams, hopes and ambitions when it comes to placements as they take their first steps into their medical career. To me, PIA looks better suited to the dystopian sci-fi programmes that I enjoy watching—better suited to “Logan’s Run” or “The Prisoner”, in which people are allocated numbers. It is not the way that we should be treating people in this country, and it is outrageous that such a system has been brought into force. We in this House should stand up for merit, and I really hope the Minister will affirm from the Dispatch Box today that the Government will dismantle this awful scheme.
I am grateful to Members for their contributions to the wider debate at this hour and for their considered amendments. I will respond briefly to their points and the amendments that have been tabled.
Amendment 6 and 7 would widen the scope of who is prioritised for specialty training starting in 2026 by prioritising applicants who worked as a doctor in the health service on 13 January. Although we welcome the intention to recognise the importance of internationally trained doctors, we cannot accept the amendments at this time. They would mean that the Bill was ineffective in delivering on its intention to tackle bottlenecks and ensure that we have a sustainable medical workforce that can meet the needs of the population.
I remind the Committee again that the Bill does not exclude anyone. In particular, there are likely to be opportunities in specialties such as general practice, core psychiatry and internal medicine, which historically attract fewer applicants from the groups we are prioritising for 2026. International medical graduates also continue to have opportunities in locally employed doctor roles. That could lead to NHS experience that might count towards future prioritisation as we look to make regulations to set criteria for what is considered “significant” NHS experience from 2027.
Amendment 10 would ensure that members of the armed forces are not excluded from prioritisation due to having undertaken medical training while on posting outside the British islands. We cannot accept that amendment as we believe it is not necessary. That is because medical cadets do not spend time outside the British islands as part of their UK medical degree. While cadets undertake their elective with the military, which may be overseas, that is no different from other civilian medical students, many of whom undertake electives overseas. As such, we do not believe that medical cadets are disadvantaged by the Bill.
Amendment 9 would include all British citizens within the priority groups so that British citizens will be prioritised for the purposes of the foundation programme and specialty training from 2027 onwards. It has no effect for 2026 specialty training, as British citizens are already prioritised by virtue of their immigration status. We therefore cannot accept the amendment. To do so would risk a significant increase in the pool of prioritised doctors who would compete with UK-trained doctors. The amendment would incentivise the expansion of the market for overseas medical schools, including medical schools working with foreign Governments to grow the overseas campus sector. That could offset any increase in postgraduate training places and undermine workforce planning. While British citizens will be prioritised for specialty training places in 2026, this is a proxy that is necessary for practical reasons. From 2027 we want to prioritise applications with experience and training based in the NHS.
Again, prioritisation does not mean exclusion. International medical graduates who are not prioritised will still be able to apply and will be offered places if vacancies remain after prioritised applicants have received offers. However, it is important that we do not incentivise actions that will undermine the Bill. This Bill will reduce competition for places for UK-trained doctors so that home-grown talent can become the next generation of NHS doctors.
Amendment 8 would limit the definition of a UK foundation programme in clause 5 to include programmes only where the majority of training has occurred within the UK. Although I understand the desire to do that, the number of doctors on a foundation programme within the meaning of the Medical Act 1983, but where the majority of training occurs outside the UK, is very small. Indeed, we understand that there is only one such active training programme. There are fewer than 25 doctors on that programme this year, of which fewer than five applied to continue their training in the UK. As such, there is no material impact on the Bill, so we do not think amendment 8 is necessary. However, we will keep the situation under review.
Amendments 2, 3, 4 and 5 would change the procedure for making regulations to set additional priority groups for specialty training from 2027. The regulations would prioritise additional groups based on criteria indicating that a person is likely to have significant experience of working as a doctor in the health service or by reference to their immigration status. To be clear on our intention, the Bill sets out the groups of people who are to be prioritised for specialty training from 2027 onwards. The delegated power is limited to adding to that list by reference to their having
“significant experience of working as a doctor in the National Health Service”,
or immigration status. Although I am sympathetic to the desire for more parliamentary scrutiny, as outlined by the hon. Member for North Shropshire (Helen Morgan), we believe that, due to the limited scope of the power, the negative procedure is justifiable. I therefore encourage her not to press those amendments to a Division.
Amendment 1 would change the commencement of the Bill—from being commenced by regulations to being commenced automatically on Royal Assent. As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State outlined, the commencement clause is important, and I have addressed that point. It is a failsafe that, given the tight timeline for introducing the Bill, will ensure that we are not in a position where a law is enacted that we cannot implement effectively for whatever unforeseen reason.
As I have said, there is also the question of whether it is even possible to implement prioritisation if, for example, the strikes are ongoing, given the strain that they put on resources and the impact that could have on delivery of the Bill. Because our objective is not just to move quickly but to get this right, these considerations are key to the commencement of the Bill, which is why the Government believe that we need to be able to commence the Bill when it makes sense to do so. For those reasons, we cannot accept the amendment.
We do not think that new clauses 1 and 3 are necessary, because the data is already published, or, as we have said, we would be seeking to monitor the impact. New clause 2 would require the allocation of individual candidates to foundation and specialty training places on merit, once the requirements to prioritise certain applicants had been met. We consider the new clause to be unnecessary at this time because existing systems for recruitment to foundation and specialty training already assess the applicants on many of the merits outlined by in it. The Bill does not alter that; it simply ensures that UK medical graduates and other eligible applicants are prioritised.
I am coming to the hon. Gentleman’s point. We will keep the current system under review—I think the Secretary of State was clear about that—but we think that any change is best made through established guidance rather than through legislation.
Many Members raised the issue of our relationship with Malta and Queen Mary, and the work that is done there. That relationship is clearly important. We have a great deal of work ongoing with Queen Mary, in the medical field as well as others. We are not excluding anyone. We are making sure that the prioritisation works in the best way possible, and we will of course keep all that under review. I thank hon. Members for their constructive debate on this important legislation.
Question put and agreed to.
Clause 1 accordingly ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clauses 2 and 3 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 4
“UK medical graduate” and “the priority group”
Amendment proposed: 9, page 3, line 3, after “are” insert
“a British citizen or are”.—(Stuart Andrew.)
This amendment would require British citizens to be prioritised for places on UK Foundation programmes and for interviews and places on speciality training programmes from 2027 onwards.
Question put, That the amendment be made.
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Third time.
I will not use this time to rehearse any of the arguments made today. We have had some good discussions. I want to thank the Leader of the House, the Chief Whip, parliamentary counsel and business managers, the public servants in my Department and NHS England, who have worked so hard to bring this together, and the devolved Governments for their support. They really have worked well together to bring this important measure to this place.
I am also grateful to all colleagues for scrutinising the Bill so thoughtfully and thoroughly during today’s proceedings and, as I said previously, for meeting me last week to go through some of the provisions. It shows that Parliament can put its shoulder to the wheel and get stuff done in the public interest. We act in the public interest because we were elected on a mandate to fix our broken NHS and make it fit for the future, and we will not succeed in that goal without our workforce, who are and will always be our greatest asset.
When I worked in the NHS during the Lansley reforms, I had a front-row seat to see their devastating impact on staff morale. I saw that patients bore the brunt of some of that collapsing morale. When our workforce does well, our NHS does well. That is why we are working to restore confidence and renew belief among frontline staff. The Bill is another step on that journey, and I urge colleagues to come with us and see it through.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill accordingly read the Third time and passed.