Northern Ireland Troubles: Legacy and Reconciliation Debate

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Department: Northern Ireland Office

Northern Ireland Troubles: Legacy and Reconciliation

Mark Francois Excerpts
Wednesday 17th December 2025

(1 day, 20 hours ago)

Commons Chamber
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Mark Francois Portrait Mr Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) (Con)
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That’s what the generals said.

Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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Well, I have read that letter and many others, and I refute the suggestion that the Government are engaging in lawfare. We have met a very large number of veterans organisations—I myself have met the SAS Regimental Association and others, and Ministers in the Ministry of Defence have met others—and we are listening. When the troubles Bill reaches Committee stage, the House will see the results of our considerations. The Government are absolutely determined to ensure the proper protections, in recognition of the hugely important and dangerous role that those who served in Operation Banner performed in trying to keep the people of Northern Ireland, and indeed the United Kingdom, safe.

Peter Swallow Portrait Peter Swallow (Bracknell) (Lab)
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As a member of the JCHR, I am concerned that the shadow Northern Ireland Secretary may have inadvertently misled the House when he suggested that our Committee did not discharge our roles seriously and consider all the evidence in this case when we produced our report.

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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He didn’t say that!

Peter Swallow Portrait Peter Swallow
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Our report recommended that this remedial order be made in no small part because of the incredible sensitivity around anything to do with the Northern Ireland troubles and the need to make sure that we are building bridges across communities, and in no small part, too, because of the seriousness with which the Committee feels the Secretary of State takes this issue. It is therefore quite right, I believe, that the Secretary of State make this remedial order. Does he agree that it is not right, and not serious politics, to play party politics with such a delicate issue?

Mark Francois Portrait Mr Francois
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What are you talking about, you idiot!

Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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I say to my hon. Friend, who is a distinguished member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, that I am grateful for the support that the Committee has given for the remedial order and the Government’s assessment of the compelling reasons. Personally, I am not accusing anybody of anything. I want to try to get this legislation right, as I have said to the House many times before, and I will work with all hon. Members who will join me in that task.