Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Stephen Kinnock and Zöe Franklin

Tuesday 13th January 2026 Commons Chamber

[Zöe Franklin (Guildford) (LD)]

In Bellfields and Slyfield ward in my constituency, the local GP surgery is squeezed into a unit that is part of a parade of shops, and it is clearly no longer the size needed for the growing community. The team do a great job in spite of the challenges. Will the Minister set out the steps the Department is taking to support community health hubs in areas like this ward, in order to bring GP and wider services together locally and improve facilities and access for my residents?

[Stephen Kinnock]

We have the £102 million primary care estate fund, which can help with refurbishments and improving the functionality of primary care, particularly GP surgeries. If the hon. Member writes to me about the specifics of that case, I am sure that the relevant officials can give her the answer she needs.

Mental Health Bill [ Lords ] (Ninth sitting)

Debate between Stephen Kinnock and Zöe Franklin

Committee stage
Tuesday 24th June 2025 Public Bill Committees

[The Minister for Care (Stephen Kinnock)]

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship this morning, Mr Vickers.

New clause 1, tabled by the hon. Member for Winchester, would require the Secretary of State to undertake a review of racial disparities in the use of community treatment orders. It is our view that the evidence base is already strong, and further reviews are not necessary. There are significant racial disparities in the use of community treatment orders. In 2023-24, black or black British people were issued with CTOs at seven times the rate of white or white British people. The use of community treatment orders as a proportion of overall detention numbers is higher for all minority ethnic groups compared with the white British population.

We are committed to reducing these disparities through our reforms and through the patient and carer race equality framework, which was a recommendation of the independent review. This includes a greater focus on prevention and early intervention, in part by promoting the use of advance choice documents, rather than an approach that simply makes it harder to impose CTOs. We are developing and monitoring an evaluation strategy, and we will continue to monitor and report on ethnic disparities via the published Mental Health Act statistics and our annual implementation report to Parliament.

New clause 3 would create the new “responsible person” role. They would have a duty to report on racial disparities and other inequalities in the use of the Mental Health Act. However, as drafted, the remit is significantly broader than that, to the extent that it would not be practical to combine all the stated functions into one role. We agree that there is a need to strengthen organisational leadership, improve data collection and change cultures across the mental health system. We also agree that it is important to have more targeted responsibilities to monitor and address racial disparities at board level in trusts, and that is already an explicit requirement of the PCREF.

The PCREF is a contractual requirement of mental health providers under the NHS standard contract. It builds on the statutory duties that apply already under the Equality Act 2010. These existing requirements cover the key responsibilities needed to monitor and address racial disparities. The PCREF can be updated more regularly than primary legislation, allowing us to take an iterative approach throughout implementation to ensure that we are capturing reporting and acting on the right data from frontline services. Ultimately, we feel that the PCREF will be more effective at reducing racial inequalities than the very broad remit outlined in this new clause, and that the addition of a responsible person in legislation is duplicative and unnecessary.

My hon. Friend the Member for Southend West and Leigh asked about implementation. The PCREF is the key instrument that we will use, but we are seeking to improve and strengthen decision making in three important ways: first, by requiring that an individual must be at risk of serious harm to be made subject to a CTO; secondly, by requiring the community clinician to be involved in all community treatment order decisions; and thirdly, by increasing the frequency of automatic reviews of patient cases by the tribunal, so that CTOs can be removed as soon as it is safe and appropriate to do so. I hope that that gives my hon. Friend some reassurance around the work that we are doing, but of course I would be happy to discuss these matters with him.

For those reasons, I ask the hon. Member for Guildford to withdraw new clause 1, on behalf of the hon. Member for Winchester.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for outlining the PCREF and the focus that it will have in addressing these issues. I was particularly interested in the explanation of the iterative approach that it will allow. I also thank the hon. Member for Southend West and Leigh for his insights into the issue. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

New Clause 2

Mental Health Crisis Breathing Space

“(1) Any person detained under sections 3, 37, 41 or 47 of the Mental Health Act 1983 must be offered support from the mental health crisis breathing space debt respite scheme.”—(Dr Chambers.)

This new clause ensures that MHCBS, a debt respite scheme, is offered and available to patients detained under sections 3, 37, 41 and 47 of the Mental Health Act 1983.

Brought up, and read the First time.

[Dr Danny Chambers (Winchester) (LD)]

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

The new clause relates to the mental health crisis breathing space debt respite scheme, and would allow it to be

“offered and available to patients detained under sections 3, 37, 41 and 47 of the Mental Health Act 1983.”

The mental health crisis breathing space mechanism is another vital tool that can protect people in a mental health crisis from the impacts of problem debt, by pausing enforcement action, contacting creditors and freezing interest and charges on any debts.

However, the number of people benefitting from an MHCBS are significantly below its potential, largely because both patients and healthcare professionals do not know about it. Ensuring that everyone detained under the longer provisions of the Act would automatically be offered access to the scheme would ensure that many more people could benefit from it. We have discussed in previous sittings the impact of debt on mental health, and the work of Winchester Citizens Advice. I am really pleased to say that this week, I presented them with a huge award for best social enterprise at the Hampshire business awards, so my congratulations go to them.

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[Stephen Kinnock]

I am grateful to the hon. Member for Winchester for tabling the new clause. Like him, we are committed to preventing mental ill health and promoting good mental health. Achieving our vision for mental health requires a spectrum of interventions across the whole of society and across the life course, from prevention and early intervention through to treatment and specialised care for those with a severe mental illness in community and in-patient settings. We are committed to the shifts from treatment to prevention, hospital to community and analogue to digital, and our forthcoming NHS 10-year health plan will affirm those commitments.

With our commitment to neighbourhood health, we are encouraging stronger partnership working between local government, mental health services and the voluntary and community sector. As part of our shift to community, we have already launched six pilot neighbourhood mental health centres to deliver a 24/7 service, with open access to anyone who requires mental health support. Through the shift to prevention, we are putting more emphasis on early intervention and recovery to support people to live well and thrive, ensuring that we improve the conditions for creating good mental health.

Alongside that, I remind the Committee of the existing prevention concordat for better mental health: a voluntary agreement signed by local authorities and integrated care boards. Signing the concordat involves a commitment to take evidence-based, preventive and promotional action to support the mental health and wellbeing of their populations. The new clause would be duplicative of that existing programme, and could introduce an unnecessary resource burden on local authorities and commissioning bodies.

We are committed to moving to a meaningful partnership between central and local government, and to letting local leaders lead within their communities. For those reasons, I hope that the hon. Member for Guildford feels able to withdraw the motion.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for his comments. In particular, I was interested to hear about the mental health centre pilot schemes. I look forward to their further roll-out. They will be crucial in addressing the issues that we sought to address in the new clause. I was also very pleased to hear about the focus on a meaningful partnership between local government, national Government and mental health providers. On that basis, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

New Clause 7

Funding and reporting

“(1) For each financial year until all sections of this Act have come into force, of the total health service expenditure by the bodies (taken together) in subsection (2), the proportion which relates to mental health spending—

(a) under the Mental Health Act 1983, and

(b) under this Act or which, in future, would be made under provision inserted into the Mental Health Act 1983 by this Act, (taken together) must not decrease.

(2) The bodies are the Department of Health and Social Care, NHS England and integrated care boards.”—(Dr Chambers.)

This new clause would require that mental health spending as a proportion of health service expenditure must not decrease in the implementation period of the Act.

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[Zöe Franklin]

I see them as absolutely sympathetic to each other and working in concert. We want to ensure that veterans have specific, tailored mental health care, as is outlined in the Bill. That is why the new clause would ensure that veterans’ unique needs are not just recognised but actively addressed. It is a practical and overdue step to improve care, safeguard rights and deliver the joined-up service that veterans deserve. After all, they give so much to our nation through their service.

I hope that the Minister will support the new clause, but if he does not, I hope that he will outline for the Committee how the Government will ensure that the aims of the new clause will be addressed through the Bill and its accompanying documents as they stand.

[Stephen Kinnock]

I am grateful to the hon. Member for Guildford for bringing the issue before the Committee. While most veterans lead healthy and successful lives following their service in the armed forces, we know that some may need mental health support. This Government are proud of the courage and dedication of our armed forces, and we are committed to ensuring that those who serve and served in the armed forces receive the best possible care.

All service personnel have access to mental health support throughout their career. The Defence Medical Services provide a responsive, flexible, accessible and comprehensive treatment service and, for leavers from the armed forces, NHS mental health services are available that are specially designed to support the unique needs of veterans. That includes veterans in mental health in-patient settings under the Mental Health Act and those within the criminal justice system. In England, these services are Op Courage and Op Nova, and in Wales there is Veterans NHS Wales. These bespoke services link with wider NHS mental health services to advocate for and support veterans to receive care tailored to their needs.

We are committed to giving veterans and armed forces personnel fair access to mental health care services and special consideration where appropriate. That is reflected in the core principles of the armed forces covenant, to which public bodies such as the NHS are legally bound to give regard. It is our firm view that a wealth of measures are already in place that respond to the unique needs and experiences of those who serve and have served in our armed forces. For that reason, I ask the hon. Member for Guildford to withdraw new clause 9.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for his comments—particularly about Op Courage, Op Nova and the armed forces covenant—and for his commitment to the veterans who have served this country and their courage, even when they face challenges with their mental health. The Liberal Democrats are willing to withdraw the amendment, but we will observe the passage of the Bill closely to ensure that it serves our veterans well across the UK. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

New Clause 11

Costed plan to ensure community provision for individuals with learning disabilities and autism who are at risk of detention

“(1) Within 18 months of the day on which this Act is passed, the Secretary of State must publish a fully costed plan for how Integrated Care Boards and local authorities will ensure provision of adequate community services for individuals with learning disabilities and autistic people who are at risk of detention under Part 2 of the Mental Health Act 1983.

(2) As part of the development of that plan, a formal consultation process must take place to determine how the decision to enact the relevant parts of this Act will be made.

(3) The consultation must include input from relevant stakeholders, including—

(a) individuals with learning disabilities and autistic people;

(b) carers for people with learning disabilities and autistic people;

(c) healthcare professionals; and

(d) advocacy groups.”—(Dr Evans.)

This new clause requires a costed plan to ensure that ICBs and local authorities are able to provide adequate community services for individuals with learning disabilities and autistic people at risk of detention under Part 2 of the 1983 Act, informed by a consultation with a range of stakeholders.

Brought up, and read the First time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time.

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[Zöe Franklin]

New clause 15 calls for an independent review of whether the legislation achieves one of its core aims: reducing unnecessary detention under the Mental Health Act. People with learning disabilities and autistic people are still far too often detained in hospital settings, sometimes for months or years, despite clear evidence that community-based support would be more effective and humane. The Bill’s provisions—including those on grounds for detention, care and treatment planning and aftercare—are supposed to address that, but if we do not review their impact, there is a risk that they remain warm words without real change.

The new clause would ensure that the Government must review how well the new law is working, in particular for those most vulnerable to inappropriate detention, and then act on that evidence within a year. If we are serious about reform, which I believe the Government are given the content of the Bill, then the new clause would ensure serious scrutiny and accountability.

I turn to new clause 18. Eating disorders are complex, often misunderstood and frequently mismanaged in the mental health system. Too many patients face delayed interventions, inappropriate detention or a lack of tailored care, particularly when their condition does not fit into a narrow clinical threshold. The Bill introduces reforms to detention criteria, treatment decisions and care planning, but we must ensure that the changes actually work for people with eating disorders.

The new clause would require the Secretary of State to publish a report within 12 months that assesses the Bill’s impact on patients with eating disorders, including whether it is has improved access to appropriate treatment, safeguarded against unnecessary detention and strengthened aftercare. This is a matter not just of policy but of real people’s lives. We owe it to this vulnerable group to ensure that the reforms deliver real change, and that they are not left behind in a system that is still too often shaped by other conditions.

Finally, on new clause 23, children and young people in temporary foster care are some of the most vulnerable in our system. They often face multiple disruptions in care, placement and support, all of which can significantly impact their mental health. The new clause asks for a focused impact assessment on how the changes in the legislation will affect them. In particular, the new clause looks at whether the ordinary residence rules delay or block access to mental health treatment, whether placement changes disrupt continuity of care, and whether the provisions in section 125G of the Mental Health Act unintentionally harm this group.

Foster children should not fall through the cracks of bureaucracy. If we are serious about improving mental health services for all, we must understand and address the unique risks that face those who are moved frequently, often with little warning or support. An impact assessment is a necessary first step to ensure that their needs are not overlooked.

I commend all the new clauses to the Committee and look forward to hearing from the Minister.

[Stephen Kinnock]

On new clause 15, we want more people cared for in the community and fewer people reaching a point of crisis and detention, but we do not think it is right to use the legislation to drive down the numbers in an arbitrary way that could interfere with clinical decision making and create a risk that people do not receive the help that they need. An evaluation of the relevant clauses should therefore focus not purely on the reduction in detentions, but on the overall improvement of experience and outcomes. Such improvement is predicated on the independent review principles of choice and control, therapeutic benefit, and the person as an individual, as well as the principle of least restriction.

The timescales suggested in new clause 15 are not feasible. Following Royal Assent, our priority will be to update the code and for staff to be trained on the new legislation and code, before commencing the first phase of the reforms. The first phase of significant reforms cannot take effect until the work on the code and the training of staff are completed. Few, if any, of the sections mentioned in new clause 15 could therefore be commenced within 12 months, and it would be premature to commission a review of their effect on detention rates within that time period.

We plan to commission an independent evaluation of the reforms, subject to funding and fundable research applications. This will be a long-term, staged exercise, given the long period over which different reforms are expected to be sequentially commenced following the initial primary legislation. We will monitor the impact of the reforms on the number of detentions and disparities in detention rates, all of which are already published under the monthly Mental Health Act statistics. We have also committed to providing Parliament with an annual update on the implementation of the reforms. As we already plan to commission an independent evaluation of the Bill, and as the timescale set out in new clause 15 would not be feasible, I ask the hon. Member for Guildford to withdraw the new clause.

On new clauses 18 and 23, we have already published an impact assessment alongside the Bill, which was scrutinised by the Regulatory Policy Committee and rated fit for purpose. We have also committed to laying an annual report on the Bill’s implementation, through the written ministerial statement. We are committed to monitoring and evaluating the reforms to understand their impact on different groups affected by the legislation.

On new clause 18, we recognise the devastating impact that an eating disorder can have on someone’s life. The earlier treatment is provided, the greater the chance of recovery. The implementation and evaluation of the reforms will be a long-term, staged exercise. It would not be possible to assess the impact of the reforms on people with eating disorders within 12 months, as not all reforms will have been implemented. We will continue to work closely with NHS England to improve access to appropriate and timely care and treatment for people with an eating disorder.

On new clause 23, we recognise that there are inequalities in mental health prevalence and outcomes for children and young people in care. We are committed to ensuring that all children are able to access the care and treatment they need. We plan to develop bespoke guidance in the revised code on the care and treatment of children and young people, to account for the specific needs of that cohort. I hope that hon. Members will not press their new clauses.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for his comments; it was really helpful to hear about how he sees the timings in our new clause fitting with the ongoing work to implement the Mental Health Act and the commissioning of the independent review. I am concerned about his comment that the work will be dependent on funding. I hope that the funding for the important independent review will be ensured. However, on the basis of the Minister’s comments, I am happy not to press any of the new clauses. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

New Clause 16

Transfer of patients: out of area placements

“(1) The Mental Health Act 1983 is amended as follows.

(2) After section 19 (transfer of patients), insert—

‘19A Transfer of patients: out of area placements

(1) The Secretary of State must reduce to zero, within five years of the passage of the Mental Health Act 2025, the number of patients transferred to a hospital outside of the area in which the patient is ordinarily resident.

(2) The Secretary of State must publish, within six months of the passage of the Mental Health Act 2025, a report to outline how the duty under this section will be met, including how provision for treatment under this Act will be increased.’”—(Dr Chambers.)

This new clause would require the transfer of patients to hospitals outside of their area to be reduced to zero within 5 years, and for the Secretary of State to produce a report on how this will be achieved.

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[Stephen Kinnock]

I am grateful to the hon. Member for bringing this issue before the Committee. This Government are committed to tackling health inequalities. The NHS continues to pursue its advancing mental health equalities strategy, which sets out plans to address inequalities in access, experience and outcomes in mental health care, including for LGBTQ+ people. However, we do not think that a review within 12 months of the passage of this Bill is the right approach. First, there are known data quality issues with the recording of sexual orientation in the mental health services dataset, which, combined with small numbers, limits our ability to monitor outcomes accurately and reliably.

Secondly, we do not need a review before acting to improve patient experience under the Act. We will update the code of practice following the passage of this Bill, including the statutory guidance to the Mental Health Act, and will work with patient groups to consider what further guidance is needed to reduce disparities in use of the Act. That consideration will cover issues based on sexuality, gender, race and other protected characteristics. We are also committed to monitoring and evaluating the reforms, which will include an assessment of whether new safeguards and support mechanisms are being equitably accessed through different groups. For those reasons, I ask the hon. Member to withdraw the new clause.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for his comments, for the recognition that individuals in the LGBT community clearly have concerns about the way that mental health care is provided, and for the commitment to addressing those. I hope that at some point he will be able to advise on the timeline for looking to resolve the issue of the unreliability of data; it is crucial that we have accurate data in order to ensure good outcomes and improvements in mental health care. However, in the light of the Minister’s comments and commitment on the issue, we will not press the new clause, although I look forward to observing closely, as this Bill continues through the House, how it will address the current inequalities for the LGBT+ community. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

New Clause 22

National strategy on mental health units

“(1) The Mental Health Act 1983 is amended as follows.

(2) In Part VIII (Miscellaneous Functions of Local Authorities and the Secretary of State), after section 118, insert—

‘118A National strategy on mental health units

(1) The Secretary of State must, within 12 months of the passing of the Mental Health Act 2025, publish a national strategy to set out how the Government will ensure that all relevant mental health units meet or exceed ‘good’ safety standards as assessed by the Care Quality Commission (CQC).

(2) A strategy issued under this section must address the following matters—

(a) recruitment, retention and training of mental health staff,

(b) patient-to-staff ratios, and

(c) safe staffing levels during crises and night shifts.

(3) Following publication of the strategy, a report on implementation progress must be laid before Parliament annually.

(4) For the purposes of this section, a ‘relevant mental health unit’ is a facility used for treatment under this Act.”—(Dr Chambers.)

This new clause would require the Secretary of State to publish a strategy, followed by an annual progress report, on how the Government will ensure that all mental health units used for treatment under the Mental Health Act 1983 are rated “good” or above by the CQC.

Brought up, and read the First time.

[Dr Chambers]

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

New clause 22 is quite similar to new clause 14, on the state of in-patient facilities. It would require the Secretary of State to publish a national strategy to ensure that all mental health units meet or exceed a good rating for safety, as assessed by the Care Quality Commission. It would also mandate annual progress reports to Parliament. We all know that far too many mental health settings fall below acceptable standards. The CQC has repeatedly flagged serious failings in in-patient mental health services, including unsafe staffing levels, poor physical conditions and risks of harm to patients. These are not isolated issues but persistent and systemic problems.

The new clause calls for a proper, co-ordinated response. It would require the Government to set out how they will address staffing shortages, improve recruitment and retention, and ensure safe staffing levels, particularly at night and during crisis periods, when the risk is often highest. It is not enough to rely on reactive inspections or piecemeal initiatives; we need a national strategy backed by data, accountability and regular reporting to the House. Too many vulnerable people are currently treated in mental health units that are overstretched, understaffed and, in some cases, unsafe. The new clause would begin to change that by setting clear expectations on monitoring progress and holding the Government to account. I commend the new clause to the Committee.

Mental Health Bill [ Lords ] (Fourth sitting)

Debate between Stephen Kinnock and Zöe Franklin

Committee stage
Thursday 12th June 2025 Public Bill Committees

[Stephen Kinnock]

We have piloted culturally appropriate advocacy models, which ran up to March 2025. An evaluation of the pilot will be published in the summer, and that will feed into the evidence base for the impact and deliverability of culturally appropriate advocacy at local level. We will use the learnings from our culturally appropriate advocacy pilots to inform our understanding of how to increase uptake of advocacy for community treatment order patients from black communities, who are disproportionately likely to be put on a CTO. A lot of that evaluation and investigation work is happening, and I am sure that hon. Members across this Committee will read the findings in the summer with great interest.

The change in the criteria for a CTO is intended to reduce the number of inappropriate community treatment orders being given, reducing restrictions on patients and helping to protect against the disproportionate use of coercion among racialised communities. Only those for whom there is a risk of serious harm and who will benefit therapeutically should be subject to a community treatment order, and it should be removed when it no longer provides benefit.

I want to touch on some of the questions that have been asked. The Opposition spokesman asked about the number of CTOs being overturned at tribunal. According to Care Quality Commission data from 2023-24, 129 discharges by tribunal took place following 4,438 applications against CTOs. I emphasise that people are often discharged without going to tribunal, so those numbers are not a full picture.

On evaluation, we are developing a monitoring and evaluation strategy for the Mental Health Act, as the Bill will become once—one hopes—it gets Royal Assent. It will be important to monitor new processes such as discharges and changes to CTOs to assess whether reforms are being delivered as intended and to monitor uptake among patients. There was also a question about racial equalities, but I think I have answered that. With those remarks, I hope that the Committee will support Government amendment 30 and that the hon. Member for Guildford will withdraw amendment 11.

[Zöe Franklin (Guildford) (LD)]

I thank the Minister for his comments on our amendment 11 and the clarification regarding the fact that the Bill covers a lot of the issues we raised in that amendment. I am therefore willing to withdraw our amendment.

On Government amendment 30, I am grateful to the hon. Members for Hinckley and Bosworth and for Farnham and Bordon for their comments on the Government’s request to remove subsection (3). It is good to have consensus on these Benches on the important issues included in it. While I do appreciate the comments from the Minister about how he believes that the Bill covers these issues, I do feel that the subsection needs to remain and I would therefore like to vote on the Government amendment. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

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[Zöe Franklin]

I rise to speak in favour of new clause 5, which would require the Secretary of State to undertake a review into whether the statutory competency test for under-16s would be expedited under the Mental Health Act. It has been great to hear so many contributions from colleagues on the Committee about the challenges that young people face when discussing their mental health and wellbeing and being involved in decision making around their health.

As my colleague Baroness Tyler noted in the Lords, and as the hon. Member for Hinckley and Bosworth noted in his early comments, the consistency with which Gillick competency is interpreted in the case of young people is a bit of a grey area. That is the key reason why we have tabled this new clause. We want young people to be empowered to be involved with decisions around their mental health. It is not hard to imagine how traumatic it must be for an under-16 to refuse treatment when they fully understand and object to it, yet be overridden because no one is quite sure how to assess their competency robustly. We believe that, at the very least, we owe it to young people to ensure that our legal framework is coherent, fair and protective of their rights.

The new clause would allow the Government to lead that conversation in a measured and consultative way. A statutory review would bring much-needed evidence and direction to a complex but critical issue. I am disappointed that the Minister will not consider the new clause, but I will withdraw it for expediency. However, it has been good to hear the commitment from the Minister to consulting on and reviewing this issue. The Liberal Democrats look forward to hearing more detail on it in the future and to being part of that conversation.

[Stephen Kinnock]

One theme raised by hon. Members on both sides of the Committee is the need for clarity and safeguards so that clinicians are clear on how best to assess competence. The Mental Health Act code of practice already provides guidance on establishing competence in under-16s. We will consult on the guidance for assessing competence in mental health settings in the revised code of practice, with the intention of providing further clarity to decision makers. That will include engagement with key stakeholders and clinical decision makers with experience of assessing competence in children.

We think it is better to focus on improving the practical application of Gillick and assessment of competency rather than reinventing the wheel, with the risk that that might cause confusion. The Department will work with NHS England, Social Work England and other partners to develop appropriate training for staff on the reforms. Once the code of practice has been updated, professionals working under the Act will be required to undergo training to maintain their competence and awareness of the Act.

[Stephen Kinnock]

Absolutely. We must ensure that we act rapidly as soon as the Bill gets Royal Assent by launching the consultation process on the code of practice. It will be vital that the question of the practical application of Gillick and the need for clarity is universalised right across the system.

The shadow Minister asked about the interface between the Bill and the Mental Capacity Act. We recognise the complex nature of that interface, which presents challenges for decision makers. We will continue to consider this interface as we implement our reforms, and we will engage with stakeholders to understand what support and guidance could help to improve application of the interface when we consult on the new code of practice.

My hon. Friend the Member for Croydon East made some powerful and important points about the risk of unintended consequences if we try to reinvent the wheel on this. She is absolutely right. She asked what we want to see in the consultation on the code of practice. For me, the two key areas would be clarity and ensuring practical application of Gillick, by understanding the case law and the complexity of the interface between the pieces of legislation. It is about ensuring that we get that clarity. We cannot do that in an ivory tower. We have to do it with Social Work England and a range of partners with practical, hands-on experience to ensure that the code of practice is the bible for addressing these important issues.

Question put and agreed to.

Clause 20 accordingly ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 21

Care and treatment plans

[Zöe Franklin]

I beg to move amendment 48, in clause 21, page 30, line 28, at end insert—

“(ab) containing steps to alleviate social and financial stressors contributing to the patient’s risk of requiring detention in future; and”.

This amendment would require social and financial stressors be addressed in care and treatment plans.

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[Stephen Kinnock]

I did not know that, Mr Vickers. Thank you for clarifying that point.

To promote a patient-centred approach to discharge planning, we would prefer to avoid mandating in law which professionals should be present at discharge planning meetings. To formalise best practice, the Bill requires that the responsible clinician consults with another professional who has been involved in the patient’s treatment before discharge can take place.

I turn to amendment 16. We agree that a young person turning 18 is at an important transition point in their care and treatment, which usually involves the young person being transferred to adult services. Under the Bill, the responsible clinician is already required to review a person’s care and treatment plan following any change in their condition or circumstances that they consider significant. The transition to adult services clearly represents a significant change in circumstances, which rightly instigates a review of the patient’s plan by the responsible clinician. We intend to make that expectation explicit in the code of practice. In line with existing care standards and guidelines, we will also underline the importance of planning in advance of a patient’s transition to adult services and of collaboration between clinical teams, as well as other measures that seek to minimise disruption to the young person’s care and treatment journey.

We support the intention of amendment 17. However, there are existing provisions, both within the Bill and across other legislation and guidance, that aim to safeguard children and young carers. For example, statutory guidance on working together to safeguard children already sets out the importance of health and social care professionals acting proactively and in collaboration with other agencies to identify and respond to children in need, including where a parent requires mental health support. There is also an existing statutory duty on local authorities to assess the support needs of young carers.

The Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill contains provisions that will strengthen multi-agency working with children and families, helping to ensure that local authorities deliver on their child protection duties. We also plan to reflect key requirements in the revised code of practice to ensure that children and young carers are safeguarded.

We understand that sometimes, when a person is detained, young carers are not appropriately identified. To address that, we plan to encourage individuals to use their advance choice document to ensure that the appropriate services are made aware. Under the Bill, carers should be consulted on the preparation and review of a patient’s care and treatment plan, where appropriate. We will include guidance in the code to ensure that young carers are appropriately involved and supported. We therefore believe that an additional duty would be unnecessary.

Clause 21 will introduce statutory care and treatment plans for all patients detained under the Mental Health Act, including patients under community treatment orders and those who are subject to guardianship. Only those who are subject to extremely short detention periods, such as those lasting a matter of days, are excluded.

The clause sets out in broad terms what the plans should cover, and provides the Secretary of State with the power to specify the contents in regulations. Setting out the requirements in primary legislation and further details in regulations will ensure that every patient’s care and treatment plan is comprehensive and that there is consistency across plans, which we know is not currently the case.

Under the clause, the clinician must prepare and review the plan with the patient and their close contacts, such as family members, carers or their nominated person. That helps to ensure that the patient’s wishes, feelings, beliefs and values shape the plan, thereby increasing the likelihood of their engagement with it. To help to ensure that the plan is kept up to date, the clause specifies important trigger points at which the patient’s clinician should review the plan with a view to potentially revising it.

Beyond providing a clear strategy for how the patient will be supported towards their recovery, it is envisaged that the plan will provide an important audit trail of key decisions made by the patient’s responsible clinician. To embed those new statutory requirements in practice, the clause will place requirements on the managers of a hospital, or the relevant authority, to monitor compliance with the duties. Sir Simon Wessely described statutory care and treatment plans as the cornerstone of the proposed reforms, delivering on each and every one of the guiding principles.

For the reasons that I have outlined, I hope that hon. Members will not press their amendments and will support clause 21.

[Zöe Franklin]

I thank the Minister for going in detail through the points raised in our amendments. It is good to hear how each of them is being addressed through the code of practice and in the Bill. I am reassured, so I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clause 21 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Ordered, That further consideration be now adjourned. —(Taiwo Owatemi.)

Mental Health Bill [ Lords ] (Second sitting)

Debate between Stephen Kinnock and Zöe Franklin

Committee stage
Tuesday 10th June 2025 Public Bill Committees

[Stephen Kinnock]

The Health and Social Care Act 2008, as amended by the Health and Care Act 2022, already requires that all CQC-registered health and adult social care providers ensure that their staff receive specific training, appropriate to their role, on learning disability and autism. The associated code of practice has been consulted on and is expected to be published and laid before Parliament soon.

The code sets out four standards that outline minimum training requirements, including expectations of training content at different levels; that training is co-produced and co-delivered alongside people with a learning disability and autistic people—that addresses the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Thurrock about co-production and things not being done in an ivory tower; and that staff complete training at least every three years. To set out separate standards in secondary legislation, as the amendment asks, would cut across that existing legal requirement and the forthcoming code. Inadvertently, that could lead to confusion. I hope that that satisfies the hon. Member for Guildford enough to persuade her to withdraw the amendment.

[Zöe Franklin]

Having had a conversation with my hon. Friend the Member for Winchester, I can say that we will withdraw the amendment. However, we hope that the Minister will ensure that the provisions addressing the need for training in such situations will come soon, and with a timeline, so that all members of the Committee understand when we will see the statutory guidance. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Question proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.