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(2 years, 10 months ago)
Commons Chamber Debbie Abrahams (Oldham East and Saddleworth) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Debbie Abrahams (Oldham East and Saddleworth) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
         The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove) 
        
    
        
    
        Ministers across Government, of course, discuss policy proposals. The Government are spending £37 billion this year to support people on low incomes and disabled people with rising costs of living and energy prices. On top of that support, which includes cost of living payments, we have committed to a further £26 billion in cost of living support in 2023-24.
 Liz Twist
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Liz Twist 
        
    
        
    
        Earlier this year, 300,000 disabled people were taken out of eligibility for the warm home discount scheme, causing them huge worry. What does the Minister say to those 300,000 worried disabled people, who lost £150 because of his Government’s decision to remove them from the warm home discount scheme?
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        I am happy to raise with Ministers across Government the hon. Lady’s point about eligibility for the scheme, but I would make the argument that this Government have put in place a comprehensive package of support that is worth £37 billion this year and £26 billion next year. It is comprehensive support, meeting a number of needs. Of course, there is also discretionary help to meet particular needs where they exist in particular households.
 Debbie Abrahams
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Debbie Abrahams 
        
    
        
    
        We should not forget that since 2010, £34 billion of social security support has been taken away from working-age people, including disabled people. Back in April, the Equality and Human Rights Commission identified requiring the Department for Work and Pensions to enter into a section 23 agreement as one of its areas of focus. Eight months on, that agreement has still not been presented. At the Work and Pensions Committee last week, I asked the Secretary of State when it would be agreed. I would like some confirmation—here, today—of when exactly that will happen.
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        The position is exactly as the Secretary of State described it to the Select Committee last week. We, as Ministers, continue to engage constructively on that section 23 issue, and will provide further updates whenever we are able to do so.
 Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        Many disabled people are having to make unimaginable sacrifices to keep life-saving equipment running in the face of huge energy bills. For instance, Carolynne Hunter’s 12-year-old daughter Freya requires oxygen for chronic breathing problems, and the bills that she had to pay to keep her daughter alive rose to £17,000. Thankfully, Kate Winslet stepped in and donated the full amount after being “absolutely destroyed” by the family’s story, but disabled people should not have to rely on celebrities to swoop in and save the day. When will the Government finally ensure that all disabled people are receiving the support they so desperately need?
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        I thank the shadow Minister for raising the issue of Carolynne’s situation. I am, of course, under no illusions about how challenging many people are finding the current circumstances and climate. We are providing the package of support that I have already described—which is the right thing to do—in addition to the discretionary help that is there to address particularly pressing needs in individual cases. As the hon. Lady will know, the Chancellor announced in the autumn statement that as part of ongoing future work we would be considering, for instance, social tariffs, and I also want to look into what more we can do in the longer term to help families deal with continuing significant costs.
 Helen Morgan (North Shropshire) (LD)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Helen Morgan (North Shropshire) (LD) 
        
    
        
    
         Justin Tomlinson (North Swindon) (Con)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Justin Tomlinson (North Swindon) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
         The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove) 
        
    
        
    
        We are committed to ensuring that people can access financial support through PIP in a timely manner. By prioritising new claims, increasing resources and using different assessment channels, we reduced the average new claim process from 26 weeks in August 2021 to 18 weeks in October 2022.
 Justin Tomlinson
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Justin Tomlinson 
        
    
        
    
        Capacity is key to assessment. What progress is being made to extend the severe conditions criteria in the PIP system, learning the lessons of the changes we have made to the special rules for the terminally ill, which would potentially allow us to remove 300,000 unnecessary assessments from the system, benefiting claimants and the taxpayer?
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        I am hugely grateful to my hon. Friend, who is of course a distinguished former Minister for disabled people and whose views on these matters I listen to incredibly carefully. We announced in “Shaping future support: the health and disability green paper” that we will test a new severe disability group, so that those with severe and lifelong conditions can benefit from a simplified process to access PIP, employment and support allowance and universal credit without needing to go through a face-to-face assessment or frequent reassessments. We will consider the test results, once they are complete, to influence thinking on the next stages of this work.
 Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
         Greg Smith (Buckingham) (Con)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Greg Smith (Buckingham) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
         The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            The Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work (Tom Pursglove) 
        
    
        
    
        I thank my hon. Friend for raising this point. The experience he describes illustrates the troubling and worrying times for families when a diagnosis of cancer comes through. We are committed to ensuring that people can access financial support, through the personal independence payment and other benefits for which they are eligible, in a timely manner. We are seeing a gradual improvement on PIP claims, with the latest statistics showing that the average end-to-end journey has steadily reduced from 26 weeks in August 2021 to 18 weeks at the end of July 2022. However, I am not complacent on this; digitisation clearly plays an important part and we are going to go further.
 Duncan Baker  (North Norfolk) (Con)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Duncan Baker  (North Norfolk) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
         Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        Nearly 1.5 million pensioners are receiving attendance allowance, at a cost of about £5.5 billion this year. It is normal for social security schemes to contain different provisions for people at different stages of their lives, which reflect varying priorities and circumstances. People who become disabled or develop mobility needs after reaching state pension age will have had no disadvantage on grounds of their disability during their working lives. I understand that that position is long standing, having been in place since the 1970s, under successive Governments.
 Mr Virendra Sharma (Ealing, Southall) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Mr Virendra Sharma (Ealing, Southall) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
         Sir David Evennett (Bexleyheath and Crayford) (Con)
    
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Sir David Evennett (Bexleyheath and Crayford) (Con) 
        
    
        
    
        Can my right hon. Friend give the House an update on the new disability action plan that the Government are preparing at the moment?
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for asking about that. It is right that we work across Government to identify priority areas where we can deliver meaningful change and progress for disabled people to improve their lives. That is what that action plan will do. We will be drawing up ideas, consulting on them, and then getting on delivering them. I look forward to hearing his views as we take that work forward.
 Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
         Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        I raised 11-year-old Harry Sanders’s disability living allowance appeal at the last DWP questions, but despite a letter from the Minister, for which I am grateful, his parents are still waiting for a tribunal date. Will the Minister look again at Harry’s case, understand why the long wait is causing such anxiety and work with me to resolve this matter as soon as possible?
 Tom Pursglove
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Tom Pursglove 
        
    
        
    
        Again, I thank the hon. Gentleman for raising this issue so constructively. He is right to say that I responded to his earlier question in a letter last week. This matter is sitting with the HM Courts and Tribunals Service, which of course relates to the work of the Ministry of Justice and is independent as part of the judiciary. I will take his point away and flag it with Justice Ministers so that they can see whether there is anything that they can do to raise it.
 Dame Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab)
        
    
    
    
    
    
        
        
        
            Dame Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab) 
        
    
        
    
        The Secretary of State mentioned the reduction to 25% of the deductions to universal credit to claw back overpayments or advances, but deducting 25% of money that barely covers the essentials is far too much. A report by Lloyds Bank Foundation says that even at 25% the deductions are pushing people into other debt and leaving them without enough to live on. The Secretary of State will also know that the Work and Pensions Committee has recommended pausing debt recovery during the cost of living crisis. Will the Secretary of State now pause that debt collection and, when it resumes, resume it at a lower level?