Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

Baroness Murphy Excerpts

Friday 27th February 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hamilton of Epsom (Con)]

I wish I could agree with my noble friend Lord Markham, but at the end of the day we have a National Health Service and it has to make choices, and we know that the National Health Service is desperately short of money. If it can save money by making sure that people go for assisted dying, I am sure it will do that, on the basis that then it could keep other people alive. Those are the invidious choices that the National Health Service has to make. I always assumed—I will give way in a minute—that, for the proposers of the Bill, one of their reasons was that they wanted to save money. I agree that the money concerned would not be very big, but at the end of the day there is an incentive to save money by ensuring that people opt for assisted dying, thereby saving the National Health Service money. I give way to the noble Baroness.

[Baroness Murphy (CB)]

My Lords, as a clinician for 50 years in the NHS, I find the noble Lord’s suggestions quite offensive. We have been asked to be kind today and I would ask him to be a little kinder to NHS clinicians in their decisions to try to help people at the end of life.

I just point out to the noble Lord, Lord Harper, that when you are talking about a fully funded palliative care service you are talking about millions and millions, and what has to be allocated. It is exceedingly difficult for the NHS to come to that decision, particularly in light of the fact that insufficient clinicians have been trained in that area, as I am sure the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, will agree. Certainly, for the assisted dying service we are talking a few thousand—not anything like the sums of money that a palliative care service costs. Let us be realistic about what we are asking for.

[Baroness Royall of Blaisdon (Lab)]

I shall briefly intervene. I am sure that my noble and learned friend will answer this later, but I want to put on record that nobody who is a supporter of this Bill—an amended Bill, as it goes forward—would ever put costs as the major reason for supporting it. I just want to put that firmly on the record.