Debates between Lord Rooker and Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Thu 22nd Feb 2018
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Lords Chamber

Committee: 1st sitting (Hansard - continued): House of Lords

Nuclear Safeguards Bill

Debate between Lord Rooker and Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan
Committee: 1st sitting (Hansard - continued): House of Lords
Thursday 22nd February 2018

(6 years, 2 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan Portrait Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan
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For someone of my age and generation, it was always fashionable to attack the Wilson Governments of 1964 and 1966. In the light of the Blair Middle Eastern excursions, which I have to say I supported at the time, history now favours Wilson on the basis that he did not send any troops to Vietnam. Equally importantly, those of us who in those days were marching against nuclear weapons often forgot that one of the great achievements of the Wilson Administrations was their sponsorship of the non-proliferation treaty. At the heart of the amendment is a degree of clarity and a redefinition of civil activities. It would be useful to have a clear and explicit definition, which is why this amendment deserves support. It is not against the Bill; it is not going to harm Brexiteers or frighten the horses. It is a straightforward amendment—and, at this late stage of the afternoon, for God’s sake give us something!

The Minister has hidden behind what are quite clearly inadequate ministerial briefs. The noble Baroness, Lady Vere, went on and on. I was reminded of the story about Lord Willie Ross, when he was shadow Secretary of State for Scotland at a time when Labour was in opposition. He dismissed the speech of the then Secretary of State for Scotland, saying that there were three things wrong with it—first, that he read it; secondly, that he read it badly; and, thirdly, it was not worth reading in the first place. I absolve the noble Baroness of the second charge, but the first and third points are still relevant. We are not on the same side as the Liberals, I have to say; it is only the Conservatives who get into bed with the Liberals. This is an amendment that we are quite happy to support, but do not let us have this obfuscatory nonsense that we have been getting. Give us something that makes today’s efforts worthwhile—if not, we will be after you at the next stage, and we will win because we have the majority in the House of Lords.

Lord Rooker Portrait Lord Rooker
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With the Liberals.