Clause 1 Debate

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Department: HM Treasury
Monday 12th January 2026

(1 day, 11 hours ago)

Commons Chamber
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Jeevun Sandher Portrait Dr Sandher
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To be clear, we have seen this happen in France, where that is exactly what happened. The incentive then was for payments to go back inside the company rather than being drawn out in dividends. In addition, owner-earners in this nation are currently able to reduce their tax liability by 13% by paying out in dividends. It is a form of income that is effectively earnings, but is not being reported as such. So yes, I would say that that is the case. Not only would I say that is the case, but I would say it is shown by international evidence. I take the theoretical point the hon. Gentleman raises, but in practice, we have seen that raising dividend taxes keeps the money in the company and leads to rising investment rates.

This is the most important Parliament in a century. Like those in this House a century before us, we face deep challenges: like those in this House almost a century ago, we are seeing the far right on our streets because people cannot afford a decent living; like those a century before us, we face a military dictator in Europe who wishes to redraw borders by force; like those a century before us, we in this continent must ensure that we defend ourselves. It was almost a century ago in this House that a Conservative Prime Minister increased taxes on the wealthiest to pay to defend our nation. It was almost a century ago that we taxed the wealthiest to ensure that every single person in this country had a good job. It was almost a century ago that we built a welfare state to ensure that every single person could have a decent living and a stake in this nation.

For our nation to meet this moment, we have to be united; to be united, every single person has to have a stake in this country; to have a stake in this country, people have to see and believe that democracy can deliver for them and that they can earn a decent living. That is why, by taxing the wealthiest on dividends—taxing those who gain their payments from wealth instead of earnings from pay-as-you-earn—clause 4 will help to ensure that we raise the revenue we need to get investment and growth going in a way that is easily implementable.

Jerome Mayhew Portrait Jerome Mayhew (Broadland and Fakenham) (Con)
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The hon. Gentleman said earlier that this was a tax on the rich because 20% of dividends are paid to the richest 1% of people in this country, but that means that 80% are not. Does he not accept that dividends are right at the heart of the savings culture in this country and that if we tax them, we will get less savings?

Jeevun Sandher Portrait Dr Sandher
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I am not sure I quite follow the hon. Gentleman’s point there, to be perfectly honest. It is true that most people’s main savings investment will be through the pension funds they own, which will be their biggest savings vehicle; that would not be subject to dividend taxation in the same way because people will buy out at the end and ensure that they have a payment for their products. I am not sure I quite follow, but, to be fair to the hon. Gentleman, it is possible that I misunderstood his point.

I can see there are lots of people trying to get in, Ms Nokes. [Laughter.] I will end my speech now to allow them to do so. It is a thrilling topic, as I am sure everyone across the Committee would agree.

This is the right thing to do to balance taxation between earnings and payments from wealth. It is a long-needed update to our taxation system. I am proud of a Government who do that, as I am sure we all are. With that, I will close.