Mental Health Bill [ Lords ] (Fourth sitting)

Neil Shastri-Hurst Excerpts

Committee stage
Thursday 12th June 2025 Public Bill Committees

[Dr Luke Evans]

I rise to speak on an essential aspect of our mental health system: the role of mental health tribunals, and the proposed changes to the grounds upon which they can discharge individuals detained under the Mental Health Act 1983. Each year in England and Wales, about 20,000 people come before a mental health tribunal. These individuals are not criminals, but patients—often vulnerable, often voiceless—detained in hospital or living under community treatment orders, sometimes against their will.

The function of the tribunals is clear: to act as an independent safeguard, to scrutinise the legality of detention, to test whether the continued deprivation of liberty is justified, and to ensure that care is being given within the bounds of both clinical necessity and human rights. Each tribunal consists of a legal judge, a psychiatrist, and a specialist lay member. Together, they form a check on the powers granted by the state to detain and treat people on mental health grounds. Therefore, tribunals are independent bodies that review whether a person should remain detained under the Mental Health Act.

Historically, while an imperative, there have been concerns that modernisation is needed. The criteria they used were broad and inconsistent with modern principles of least restriction and patient rights. The 2018 independent review of the Act recommended aligning tribunal powers with clear risk-based criteria to ensure the detention is only maintained when absolutely necessary.

The clause seeks to change the criteria that these tribunals apply when making decisions about discharge. Specifically, it would align the discharge tests used by tribunals with the statutory conditions for detentions—those found in section 2(2) in the 1983 Act for assessment, section 20(4) for treatment and section 17A(5) for community treatment. On one level, this is pragmatic reform. It simplifies the legal framework and avoids confusion caused by duplicative or overlapping tests. It creates consistency between the reasons someone can be detained and the reasons their tribunal must use to determine whether they should remain so.

I would, however, caution the Committee not to treat simplification as neutral. While the administrative clarity is welcome, legal clarity can also narrow discretion. In tightening the grounds for discharge to mirror the detention criteria exactly, the clause may reduce the tribunal’s ability to consider the broader context, including, for example, the patient’s progress, their lived experience or the factors not strictly enumerated in statute. There is a risk that tribunals become passive reviewers of statutory boxes, rather than active assessors of individual liberty and clinical justification. Tribunals may ask whether the criteria are still met, rather than whether continued detention is truly necessary or proportionate.

Moreover, I believe—although the Minister may have to correct me—that the clause applies retrospectively, including to individuals detained under forensic sections or already living under CTOs. We must ask whether it is right to shift the legal test midway through someone’s treatment or tribunal process, potentially raising the bar for their discharge. I welcome the intent behind the clause to create coherence to improve the legal precision of our mental health law, but will the Minister reflect on its practical effects? Will it make discharges harder? Will it reduce the tribunal’s role to tick-boxing? Will it truly serve the interests of the patient?

Mental health tribunals are not merely administrative bodies; they are guardians of liberty for people who are often too unwell to speak for themselves. Any change that touches their powers must be approached with care, compassion and rigorous scrutiny. I ask the Minister to clarify how the clause will affect discharge rates in practice. Will tribunal members retain discretion to consider the individual circumstances of the patient beyond the bare statutory criteria? How will that be monitored? Has an impact assessment been carried out on the proposed change?

Finally, in the Minister’s speech on clause 6, he said that he expects more people to be automatically referred. How many more does he expect the Government to see? I believe in his answer he said that 129 out of 4,000 were overturned. Is there any work to be done to see how many more automatic referrals would come in, how many more would be challenged, and what the impact of that would be? We must be mindful that mental health law is about not only treatment, but trust, autonomy and justice, so let us ensure that these reforms reflect that.

[Dr Neil Shastri-Hurst (Solihull West and Shirley) (Con)]

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Vickers. I rise to speak briefly to clause 7, which in many ways is a tidying up of the other changes in the Bill to ensure alignment. In that sense, it is a necessary part of this legislation.

For too long, mental health tribunals, which have an important function, have been operating under criteria that are too broad. As my hon. Friend the Member for Hinckley and Bosworth pointed out, that can lead to inconsistencies with modern clinical practice. It is therefore right that we move to clearer, more risk-based criteria to ensure that detention is maintained only where absolutely necessary. There are obvious reasons behind that, such as to ensure greater consistency in tribunal decision making and strong safeguards to ensure that patients are only detained or kept under community treatment orders when absolutely necessary.

I want to pick up some of the arguments my hon. Friend the Member for Hinckley and Bosworth was developing around the demands on the tribunal service. The Minister will be well aware of the challenges facing the court and tribunal system in this country. If, as anticipated, this will lead to an increase in the number of hearings—both in first instance and potentially in appeal—what assessment has been made as to the number of not only judges, but wing members that will be required to facilitate this process?

What has been determined regarding the capacity of the resources of His Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service—in terms of not only physical hard standing, but the vital role that clerks and tribunal staff play in ensuring that hearings are done in a timely manner and the paperwork is completed consistently? Thirdly, what is the expectation of the sustainability of that workload as the Bill comes into fruition? I pick up on that in particular, because, given the transition arrangements that appear to be within the legislation, this will be a retrospective as well as a prospective change. I would be grateful if the Minister in summing up could address those issues.

[Stephen Kinnock]

It is a little bit dangerous for us to get into a numbers game, because I do not think it is particularly useful or productive to say, “As a result of the changes that we are making, we think it will decrease by x number or increase by y number”, because, by definition, we do not have a crystal ball and we cannot be sure. However, the impact assessment for the Bill— I do not have a copy of that with me right now—includes a range of scenarios and some predictions of the impact and associated costs that go with that. Those are important considerations that led us to the conclusion that we need a 10-year implementation period. It is not just about capacity in the communities and the community mental health services; it is also about capacity in the court system, the number of judges and the whole additional capacity and workload required for that, which is an important part of those considerations.

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[Dr Evans]

I welcome the Government’s recognition that modern technology can play a valuable role in improving care in the mental health system. The move to allow remote interviews and examinations for second opinion appointed doctors, through live audio or video links, reflects the realities of healthcare today and the potential for greater flexibility and efficiency. In particular, the so-called hybrid model, as set out in the explanatory note, could help speed up access to important second opinions and reduce delays in treatment decisions. That is especially welcome given the well documented pressures on mental health services and the vital role of second opinions in safeguarding patient rights.

While the intention is laudable, however, I have a number of concerns to go through, because I believe that the House must consider them carefully. First, the clause leaves the clinician significant discretion to decide whether a remote assessment is appropriate, but it does not set out clear criteria or safeguards for how that decision should be made. Given the serious nature of second opinion assessments, which often authorise treatment without consent, we must ensure that the discretion does not lead to inconsistent or inappropriate use of remote methods.

Secondly, mental health patients are a diverse group, and many face particular communication challenges. For example, a patient who has experienced a stroke may have speech impediments or difficulty understanding complex questions. Others may have conditions such as autism or dementia that make remote communication difficult or distressing.

This was a really big topic in the other place, particularly as there are several esteemed colleagues who are part of the speech and language therapy fraternity, so it warrants a bit of attention. For example, we need to look at access to speech and language therapists. We also think about how these important communications needs will be assessed and accommodated. Will there be a statutory requirement for a clinician to consider patients’ communications abilities and preferences before opting for a remote interview? I am concerned that, without such safeguards, patients may be subjected to assessments that do not fully capture their conditions or views, undermining the quality and fairness of the process. The Minister—I think—hinted that this may be covered in the code of practice. I hope it is.

Thirdly, the clause does not specify the role of patient consent or objection to remote access. Should patients have the right to request an in-person interview if they find remote contact unsuitable? This is not simply a matter of convenience; it is a question of whether we ensure the dignity, respect and meaningful participation in decisions about their own care. There is much debate in primary care about the role of video calls versus seeing a person face to face, and I would be interested to understand where the Government sit on that point.

The Bill lacks any specific provision for regulatory oversight or standards to govern the use of remote assessments. How will the regulator—presumably the CQC, but I would be grateful for clarification on that point—monitor whether remote assessments are being used appropriately, given the vulnerability of these types of patients? What mechanisms will patients or their advocates have to raise concerns or complaints if they feel remote assessment was not adequate or, even worse, harmful?

Finally, while technology can bring great benefits, it should never become a default substitute for face-to-face contact in mental health treatment decisions, especially where the stakes are so high. I assume the Minister appreciates that. Will this be set out clearly in the code of practice? Whose job is it to enforce that? Will there be a right to request an in-person interview, should the patient choose to? Has an equality impact assessment been undertaken to ensure that remote access does not disproportionately disadvantage those who suffer with communications difficulties or other vulnerabilities, or is that something that the Minister will implement in the code of practice? I would be grateful for some clarifications on those points, because it is really important to get it right when it comes to difficulties in communication, especially in this patient cohort.

[Dr Shastri-Hurst]

I rise to address three broad points on clause 19. I entirely understand where this is coming from—it is to improve accessibility, efficiency and flexibility in delivering assessments. It reflects the broader observations from the independent review and aligns with the NHS digital transformation goals. However, I have three specific concerns.

My first concern is about the risks around the assessment quality. I suspect we have all experienced virtual meetings or consultations with clinicians. Subtle cues can often be missed in a virtual hearing, particularly when it is on the sensitive issues we are dealing with in the Bill. I am concerned that we will miss those subtle signs that doctors would pick up on in a face-to-face assessment; they can easily be lost through the medium of a virtual assessment.

My second concern is about the consistency in clinical judgment of when to use these virtual assessments. I suspect we all have experience through constituency or personal work of general practitioners who, since the covid-19 pandemic, have moved to more online and virtual assessments. Some patients enjoy that and like the flexibility; others would rather see a clinician face to face, but are not always offered that option. We must ensure a consistent approach to these assessments across the country.

My third concern is about digital exclusion. The assumption is that individuals will be able to access this readily and be comfortable with the technology. Many will be able to, but a significant number will struggle with it. We must ensure that those individuals are not forced down a route of having a virtual appointment or assessment, when that would not allow them the satisfaction of the consultation they sought. It is important that patients are put at the front and centre, and that any change to the assessment process is made with them in mind.